8/05/2002                                                                                       View Comments

Is Masturbation Wrong?

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The article for the above URL is posted below. Personally, I can't believe how totally asinine these people are! My comments are in italics. What do you think about this?

"I'm a Christian and I have a sort of embarrassing problem. I need to know if masturbation is wrong in the eyes of God."
--Troy

I know it took a lot of courage for you to write this letter, Troy. So I want to give you some counsel to help you with this issue.

Masturbation is the most practiced and least discussed sex act. A lot of people are doing it, but hardly any one will talk about it. You know Troy, that I will always go to the Bible to find answers to difficult questions. Yet nowhere in the Bible is masturbation mentioned. So what do we do?

I still go to the Scriptures. Even though masturbation isn't mentioned, the Bible has a lot to say about sexuality. There are principles in God's word about sexuality which should be applied to masturbation. And those principles show us, I believe, that masturbation is wrong in the eyes of God. ( Don't touch your toy Troy! )

To begin with, Troy, think about one of God's purposes for sex: Sex was created by God to help prevent man's "aloneness" (Gen. 2:18). Sex was clearly meant for two people--that is why masturbation goes against God's purpose for sexuality. ( Don't ever diddle yourself ladies, get yourself a MAN!!! )

Also, we must think about what almost always goes along with masturbation: sexual fantasy. Images, photos, movies--they provide material for people to create their own sexual fantasies. And we can easily become addicted to these kind of fantasies. In Proverbs 12:11, we are told that "he who chases fantasies lacks judgment." ( Like chasing the fantasy of a big EYE in the SKY watching you pull your pud? )


Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:12, asked us to live in reality, not in fantasy. He also told us not to be mastered by anything. It may be difficult to understand, Troy, but masturbation can do great damage to you sexually. Your sexual stimulation and pleasure can become tied to certain images that aren't reality, that only exist in your head. Your future sex life within your marriage, could suffer. ( Yeah, if you are a gal, you might learn your body enough so you can orgasm easily all the time. Or if you are a guy you might learn how to control yourself so you can give your partner the time of her life. BAD BAD BAD!!!! And the hairy palms, need we even mention them?? )

Finally, masturbation can become a substitute for healthy relationships with other people. Some people make the mistake of choosing masturbation as an unhealthy way to deal with their loneliness, depression, or frustration. They turn to masturbation as an emotional substitute for their problems. (Oh, yeah, I would much rather sit in my room alone whacking my meat instead of a hot time with a sexy woman. RIGHT!!!!!)

So how do you overcome the problem of masturbation? First, you must remind yourself that God loves you. And don't hate your sexual feelings. God made each of us with these kind of feelings. They may be difficult to deal with, but God can help you with them as you make Him the master of your sex life. ( I find waking your hard-on with a really big hammer helps too )

Masturbation is almost always a symptom of a deeper need. (Deeper , yes yes deeper) So Troy, look closely into your heart and mind. What is motivating you to masturbation? Are you lonely? ( Are you just horny?)Are you depressed? Are you afraid to date? (Are you not spending time getting to know the students in a good youth group?) (Are you young and healthy with raging hormones that you can't do anything to alleviate? If so, feel guilty about it! And hate yourself for being a sexual entity!)

Find someone--someone you can trust--to help you with this problem. Maybe it's your youth pastor or a very close friend. ( a wanking buddy? ) Ask him to hold you ( and your member ) accountable and to pray with you (on your knees, or him on his knees or...) . Also work hard ( hard, did he really say hard? ) at making some new friends.( Now he suggests "making" some friends. ) That way you can socialize instead of fantasize. ( Well I must agree that the real thing is better than a pocket pal. )

Finally you should avoid anything (such as websites, magazines, TV shows, or movies ( OR CLASSIC CHRISTIAN ART) which channel your sexual feelings into fantasies. I've always told students and teenagers that what you put into your mind will come out in your life--"garbage in/garbage out." ( And this guy would know garbage when he saw it wouldn't he? )


Troy you've taken a very difficult step toward solving a difficult problem. I'm proud of you. And I know God loves you, and He's proud of you. And most of all, God will help you. I know He will. ( He won't take away your sexual urges, but he will watch you as you blow your frustrated load into your sheets tonight you dirty filthy pervert )

Of Course you could always try this solution!!

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Thanks guys for permission to encourage ExChristians everywhere. Sure glad I can touch myself now without guilt. SHEESH are we back in the 1800s again? Oh, and by the way, Never go to church in Europe, it might get you all wound up again!

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If you thought article was fun, check out this site here: The White House Initiative on Masturbation







Done laughing? Now let's get serious and really look at this phenomena which is such a prevalent part of being human:

In contemporary society onanism is probably the most frequent sexual act. I think individualization goes hand in hand with onanism (no pun intended). The more people are thrown back on themselves and the more space they have for themselves, the higher the chances are they will sexually pleasure themselves.

The universality of the phenomenon leads to a wealth of expressions: next to masturbation, manustrupation, onanism, self-abuse, self-pollution, auto- or monosexual are the more popular ones like tossing off, jerking off, beating off, getting off, cumming, spanking the monkey, shooting. Decent descriptions are numerous: playing with yourself, pleasuring yourself, coming by yourself....

S.A.D. Tissot

In the eighteenth century entire dissertations appeared about onanism and its dangers. In 1758 the enlightened doctor S.A.D. Tissot devoted a learned disquisition in Latin to the subject, which in 1760 was translated in French and after that appeared in dozens of prints and translations. His theory was clear and simple. Spunk was an important material, certainly in a man`s youthful years. Loss of seed by manual manipulation was life-threatening. Without seed no nerves and no brains.

Boys pleasuring themselves too often were tearing down their constitution, would get spinal consumption and eventually die or would commit suicide. Tissot initiated a tradition. After his first step hundreds of book came out about onanism.

According to Tissot and consorts causes for self-gratification were culturally determined. Boys learned to masturbate from other boys, from bad educators and by reading the wrong literature. It could be that the beds they slept in were too warm, that they slept on their stomach and not on their back, were riding horse or glided down banisters, ate hot and spicy foods or red meat, drank coffee, tea or alcohol, got to know the pleasures of physical touch while urinating, etcetera. Some educators even warned against reading the Bible, because this could arouse feelings of lust. On the rebound Tissot demanded from parents and educators to control the entire life of their children in order to turn the evil tide of self-stimulation. Historians have claimed that the battle against onanism has had less of an effect on the habit itself than on the boys` upbringing.

Boy`s Skirt

Tissot`s book served as a model for many others. Many quacks warned for the dangers of onanism, but simultaneously offered a remedy, a potion which could be bought from them only and for a staggering sum. Each of us has at one time or another seen a picture of mechanical means to prevent self-gratification. Some masochists keep such apparatuses in their home since these not only prevent lust, but also stimulate it. Pedagogues fulminated against self-abuse and designed their schools in such ways that this evil could be nipped in the bud. One educator devoted an entire book to the theme of trousers and skirts. According to him boys should change their tight pants, with dangerous pockets!, for skirts like the Scots. Their genitals would hang freely and cool and excitement wouldn`t be roused. When making water they didn`t wouldn`t have to touch their privy parts. A boy`s skirt was the best remedy against the voluntary pouring-out of seed. The pope seems to know of this piece of writing since he regularly warns against tight pants and their inherent danger for procreation.

Though Tissot`s theory is sheer nonsense, in pedagogy and medical science his views were common property till the Sixties. Many generations have been brought up on baloney. Luckily most boys haven`t given these matters much thought. But unfortunately many of them did sense some guilt, like a boy in the previous century, who tried to get medical advise for his excessive jerking-off. He wanted to get rid of his balls, but his doctor told him that onanism wsan`t that harmful and that he`d better keep his privy parts which in fact were the actual man", obviously with an eye on marriage and procreation. The boy was in for worse than the doctor suspected and tried to cut off his balls himself with a knife. With one he succeeded, but he had to seek medical assistance before getting to the other one. Novelist Lodewijk van Deyssel had a handy-man who designed an apparatus for him which made self-gratification impossible. Like many others he was a victim to the hysteria surrounding onanism.

During the last two centuries some raised their voice against the demoniac stigma of onanism. Freud also condemned the practice, but A.Morvincit ( love conquers", the alias of P.J. Smink) in Holland and Max Hodann in Germany wrote that masturbation wasn`t the drama doctors made of it. With his Harmful or not? New insights in an old erotic problem" (1920) Smink stood up for the pleasures of palm-driving. But outside the circle of medical men and pedagogues onanism remained a silent sin which could not be mentioned.

Nowadays doctors only warn against excessive masturbation. Yet many people do not feel comfortable pleasuring themselves.


Socially it`s still more acceptable to pleasure someone else or to pleasure each other. Which doesn`t alter the fact that no sexual act is of such frequent occurrence as masturbation. Coition is regarded with more respect but probably doesn`t score higher than a meagre second place. So many prejudices have disappeared, that in 1992 Making love with yourself" by Jos Lammers could come out, a book for children who want to know more about masturbation". Doctors objected a long time against the ease of onanism. Other forms of sex demand a partner, not always as near by as your own source of pleasure. An other objection from their heterosexual standpoint was the resemblance of the deed with the homosexual act. A man familiar with his own body and dick will object less to other men`s physiques. The relationship of his hand with his genitals can be called mono- as well as homo-sexual. A homosexual goes for his alikeness" and what is more alike himself than his own body? Maybe the auto-sexual act is pre-eminently the homosexual act.

Phantasy

An other objection is the monotony of monosexuality: more of the same. An objection of people lacking in imagination. In the first place there are several ways of doing it: with the hand, by rubbing, and some people are capable of licking or sucking themselves. You can do it lying down, standing up, sitting down, under blankets, in the shower, in the forest, the bus, the elevator, in the heat or while freezing cold. A video or magazine can get things started. Some men tie or hang themselves up or put on clothes that excite them. But the most important instrument is the imagination. A beautiful dream is the beginning and highpoint of much palm-driving. Illusions know more variations than cold reality. In the imagination things can happen you wouldn`t necessarily want to experience in reality, like murder, abuse, slavery. Masturbation is far from monotonous unless you see it as a mechanical act and not as a hedonistic pleasure.

The most important literature about monosexuality is historical and doesn`t deal with the delights of masturbation, but is about the sad history of the belief that the effects of onanism can be disastrous. These days the theme is mainly that it`s not unhealthy or sinful at all. According to some sex pedagogues it`s an educational experience which prepares one for later twosomes. But why would it be better or more fun together than by yourself? Self-gratification has for two centuries been abused and denounced. All the attempts to turn evil into good didn`t help to give this lonely pleasure the mature status it deserves.

38 comments:

freedy said...

I told my 3 sons,...each around 8 or nine about touching their own penises to be a healthy thing.Also if they want masterbate to do it in the shower not in public wiew(they have a baby sister).O how i wished my dad have done the same ,..that is to teach me that this not only normal ,but healthy.I wonder how many sex offenders out there were shamed sexually by ther puranical fundie parents????????????

Anonymous said...

I'm in my 50's and I first found the pleasure I could get from my penis and scrotal area when I was about 6 or 7 years old. Even at that young age, it didn't take me long to find out that I could enjoy a body shaking experience that would give me a wonderful feeling from head to toe if I rubbed myself just right and long enough. I still enjoy masturbating in bed at night. As much now as I did when I was a little boy.

I've heard many guys say they didn't start masturbating until their teen years. What a shame they didn't know earlier. In the past, it was taboo to discuss, but maybe in today's world, that kind of personal information can be safely passed on so that it can be enjoyed early, like I did.

One advantage of doing it back then was all the pleasures and no mess to clean up afterwards.

Anonymous said...

im in my teens and i masturbate all the time but i want to stop im catholic afteri masturbate i always have a sense of guilt so is masturbation wrong?

religionkills said...

Why would ANY god create humans to act like humans and then get pissed that they act like humans? Sex is a normal natural function of everything on this planet that moves and breathes! Whether it produces asexually, (sounds like major masturbation to me!), or has a partner. You damned crispies bitch about people having sex "outside of marriage", and scream how that is supposed to be a sin...so how the hell is a person supposed to relieve that deep down ache? Grovel to an indifferent god? Riiiiggghhhht. Unlike my mother, I taught my kids about sex as soon as they were old enough to start asking the questions..certainly didn't lie to them and tell the some bullshit like, "I found you in a cabbage patch", the ol' stand by of the stork business. That's LYING..you jerks. Both my boys are teen-agers
now, and I tell them that if they are planning on gettin' "laid", then use a "scrote coat" and don't be making no babies before they are ready for that kind of responsibility. Also, that using one of those head hats will protect them form any nasty communicable diseases that could completely end their sex life...or their life period. Dobson and his fellow crispies are so full of shit their eyes are brown. Sex is NORMAL! Masterbation is NORMAL! Get over the crispie bullshit and I guarantee you'll realize guilt is a useless emotion. It's not the same thing as being remorseful for a real wrong one may have done...like killing the neighbor's pet on purpose or something. SO have fun! Diddle! Wack off! And, ENJOY IT!

Anonymous said...

Does one gain more energy if they do not masterbate for a while? Wondering if anyone out there has gone 2 weeks or more w/o masterbating. I heard the urge is no longer present after a week. Wondering if this is true.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what you mean by energy, but it is definitely more pleasurable to do it after having abstained for a while (like a week or so.)
I've actually gone a couple months without masturbating (currently going a month without, on a bet I made with some friends) and I can tell you that the urge never totally goes away. It's easier to ignore if you're busy with other things or if you still get wet dreams, but it's pretty much always there in the back of your head.
In my experience with it, anyway.

Anonymous said...

Hi, Im 46 years old and i've been materbating since kindergarden. Masterbation helped me to relieve the stress of growing up in a very disfunctional family. Masterbation helped me be respectfull of young ladys when i was dating in high school. I wasn't always tring to put the moves on them because wasn't as horney after masterbating. And if things did get hot and steamy on a date, I didn't have to pressure the young lady for sex, cause I could allways go home and Masterbate. When I finaly got married my wife and I enjoyed making love and mutual Masterbation often together. After she had our children and she became tired at times from tending to the children, she wasn't always in the mood or had the energy to make love as often as we had in the beginning. Masterbation alloud me to give her the time to rest up while i took care of my needs on my oun. Our relationship continued on its happy way. Masterbation also helped her to think of me when I had to be out of toun, and it helped me to be faithfull. Materbating didn't cause me to be a pervert or pedophile or be hooked on pornography or any other sexualy negative type person. What it did do is help me to cope with life in a positive way. My wife and I still enjoy Masterbating eather together or by our selves. If more young people or people in general Masterbated instead of stead of having premarrital sex or extramarrital affairs, there would be less teen pregnencys, less unwanted children or chilren not being able to be taken care of , less broken relationships and people with long lasting emotional scares. And as far as the religious thing is conserned, I think GOd gives a divine release through Masterbation so we as humans dont go crazy under the pressures of life.

Anonymous said...

MASTERBATION IS A SIN BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO IT YOU ARE LUSTING. THAT'S WHY IT'S BETTER TO GET MARRIED IF YOU CANT CONTROL YOURSELF OR ASK GOD TO CORRECT YOUR MINDS. READ, FAST ,AND PRAY( WATCH, PRAY, LEST YOU ENTER IN TEMPATION. THE SPIRIT IS INDEED IS WILLING, BUT THE FLESH IS WEAK. MATTHEW 26:41) YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE HOLY. I DONT THINK YOU WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN IF CONTINUE MASTERBATING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FREE FROM SIN. JESUS LOVES YOU

Anonymous said...

Masturbation itself is not a sin, but lusting is. I don't see how its possible to do one without the other. Your logic is also difficult to understand. You're saying because we can't get diseases from it, then it can't be bad? Can you get diseases from dishonouring your father or mother, stealing, killing, blaspheming, idolizing, coveting, murdering, or any other sin?

So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)

Wes said...

Stop frickin' yelling! Or fix your friggin' caps lock. Whatever the problem is, get it dealt with before posting here again, moronymous. -Wes.

Wes said...

Oh, I really have to ask. Did Jesus masturbate? C'mon, now - I am being serious. Does anyone know? Did he jerk off at least ONCE? He is male, right? Born with a penis? Did he ever touch his naughty bits? Did he ever get an erection? Or did it just hang limp all his thirty three years. Inquiring minds want to know... -Wes.

Wes said...

"So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)
"

How the hell did you read "Masturbation is a sin" out of that biblical vomit?? My god, how your mind so easily sees what it wants to! Kind of like how I saw a human face in the seagull shit on my windshield last weekend, I guess. Besides - really - a supposed 'god of the universe', like the biblical god is supposed to be - would he really care what I do with my dick?!? -Wes.

dirty old man always said...

Ok I'd like to say that I'm a male married to a female for over 30 years and over I'm over 50 years old and I estimate that I have masturbated over 10,000 times, almost every time while I masturbated I formed an image in my mind of other women and young girls and still do, probably thought of my wife less than 20 times in all. I have thought of women and young girls while masturbating that I have seen either bent over in a dress or in shorts or a bikini from ages 9 years old to 55 years old.

One night when I was about 20 years old, my wife asked her two gorgeous sisters 10 and 12 yrs old to stay over with us and they slept in the guest bedroom, so that morning I woke up about 5:00 AM to go to the bathroom and there they were with the door open across the hallway from the bathroom, sound asleep with nothing on but pantys and small bra on, well what a glorious sight, the memory is still very fresh, well as things began to rise to the occasion, I closed the bathroom door to a slight crack and well yes I indulged in a wonderful, lustful, satisfying, memorable, self-gradification, ahh the joy, the temptation, what a release, the sin? I felt no sin nor guilt and still do not, I would gladly do it again, if I had the chance, that was over 30 years ago and they both are married and have children now in the teens. No one knows this until now.

I have other stories, but I have no regrets about lusting other women and girls, I would never touch one, without their consent, because I would be violating their personal rights and world view.

To the fundies reading this, the only place sin and hell exists is in a book, written by psychotic drug induced goat herders.

Would like to hear others experiences.

DH said...

I appreciate this discussion about masturbation. My dis-conversion "testimony" has been on this site for over a year. But back in the 1990s I started a website devoted to debunking religious prohibitions against masturbation; that site (no longer under my supervision) continues today as www.solotouch.com. The first posting I put on the website was my lengthy rebuttal of religious objections to masturbation. The piece also includes my personal struggle with Christian attitudes toward self-pleasuring. I encourage anyone interested in exploring this topic of religion and masturbation to read this account which is still on the solotouch website. Go to http://www.solotouch.com/res.php?t=a&num=1 to read the introduction then follow links to go through the entire essay. My suggestion is for everyone to abandon guilt and freely enjoy themselves!

Anonymous said...

There is no medical link between masturbation and blindness, hairy palms (this one is just ridiculous), and any other sypmtoms that philistinic parents scare their children with.

Anonymous said...

Just to prove it... I'm going to masturbate. Losers!

Anonymous said...

I masturbate but have no thoughts towards others whatsoever. I am just thinking how it fees and whatnot but don't think "I could so be doing so and so right now".

So technically is that against God? I literally don't masturbate towards another person or thing.

I simply masturbate.

Right or wrong?

(please try to relate to the bible. Also if you feel the need to cuss I will not even read your opinion because I already don't think your extremly holy and able to choose for me.)

stronger now said...
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stronger now said...

Anony,

You cum on an EX-CHRISTIAN site to ask for someones opinion, and this opinion has to come from someone that isn't too unholy for ya!

HAA!HAAA!HAA!HAAAAAA!

ROFLMHAO!

How is it that you determine who is holy enough to make your choices for you? And what would make you think that you could find such a person here?







Oh yeah..... shit.

Anonymous said...

I'm a christian teen and i was completly fine with my body and touching myself until my mother contantly yelled at me and accused me of it. And so i denied it because she would scream at me at the top of her lungs for doing it even thought she origially told me it was a natural thing to do. Then i got angry at her and called her a bitch one night because she barged into my room one night and statrted yelling at me about mastrubating. So she says I must be having ex if i touch myself. And i really am trying to be comfortable with myself agian but it is proving to be difficult.

Anonymous said...

I always feel like god punishes me after I masturbate , along with lots of guilt...

Scholar said...

Dear Annonymous from Nov 10 posting and others alike...

I want to congratulate you for your courage and talking about your guilt with others. You are allready well on your way!

The issues you have described here are the result of illogical, untested, and unhealthy beliefs developed in human history that slipped into culture and religion under the guise of unquestioned "knowledge". We now know better but some of that missinformation still lingers in culture and religion, prevending healthy sexuality rather than fostering it. Thus, unfortunatelly, some religious views are doing society a disservice. Obveously, it's done you a disservice.

Please take note that as you begin to own your own sexuality and its development, it is not necessary to drop your spirituality. In fact, your spirituality may grow too, as annonymous age 46 hinted at in describing his wonderful relationship with his wife.

Also, though you didn't say so, it is normal for people to question their orrientation. Many young men have not ended up gay as a result (or there would be many-many more gay men).

For many who have guilt, for whatever reason, about their sexuality, masterbation, and importantly - the thoughts that come to mind while doing so (especially when thoughts and behavior do not fit tidily in the black and white view of heterosexism), it can be a deeply painful and issolating experience.

In response, I would like to suggest that what you are feeling is quite common. I came from a hyperreligious family and I felt guilty about masterbation for years. I got caught once - we never talked about it, and I felt so ashamed I wanted to die. Then I learned to talk about it several years later. Several friends had a parent walk in on them at some point, and laughing about it was a huge relief from thinking I owed it to society to die because of my dirty little secret. As your sexuality matures, your guilt will diminish and pass.

I recommend talking with others, getting education and - as feeling punished by God bespeaks of trauma, get some help. Take a course on human sexuality if you have access too one, and now that you've taken a chance over the internet - talk with your safe peers and family members.

I suggested help because being punished by God clearly indicates you are distressed by some aspect of masterbation or your thoughts at the time. Counselors, including church counselors, will be good as long as they don't try to change your sexuality in some way, such as saying you shouldn't masterbate, or that gay thoughts need to be fixed. A GLBT center either in your area, local university, or over the web might be of assistance. My experience has been that the fear such places will try to "change" you into being gay if you are not is laughable. What you will get is a community that can support you through healing from feeling stigmatized to the point it seems God himself is punishing you.

Sincerely,
Scholar.

argooya said...

I feel obliged to attest to the promotion of such a repulsive act of moral degradation irrelevant of its scientific benefits or harms.

I have seen recent scientific conclusions stating that porn could increase men’s life by a few years. Sure, sell your soul to the devil and degrade yourself spiritually and psychologically to gain a couple years in this limited lifetime.

Even if Playing with yourself is deemed to benefit the body, which I doubt, it is the wrong way of satisfying a basic need. A need that god has placed in us for the sole purpose of the continuation of the human race, not for lustful limited satisfaction in ones privacy.

I do not condemn those who choose to be different in their own personal lives, but I do condemn and protest the promotion of these private matters to a broader audience.

Astreja said...

What devil, Argooya? What god?

Personally, I'm fine with "lustful limited satisfaction" in private.

And your use of phrases like "repulsive act of moral degradation" and "degrade yourself spiritually and psychologically" say volumes about the way you've chosen to view human sexuality. You would be well advised to seek professional help to deal with the issue.

freethinker05 said...

The only time I hand-jig is in between not having sex with my wife, hehehe...or thinking about Chealcon, HAHAHA, Roger A/A

Anonymous said...

Funny name for the site..."ExChristian". There neither is nor can be any such thing. Either you believe by grace through faith and are sealed forever by the Holy Spirit, or you were fooling yourself by thinking that if you 'decided' to be a Christian that settled the matter. It doesn't.

Jim Arvo said...

Anonymous,

As there appears to be no such thing as a "Holy Spirit", one's religion is most certainly a personal decision and nothing more. Hence, one can decide to be a Christian, and then not.

Have a nice day.

boomSLANG said...

If one is able to not believe Christianity, and then at a later time, come to believe it....then surely, one is able to believe Christianity, and at a later time, not believe it. A belief, is a belief, is a belief. Nice try, though, Anony'.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is wrong. If your a Christian you shouldn't do it. In the Lord's eyes if you think about doing anything, then you have done it. Therefore what are you thinking about when you masterbate? Yep, I'm sure we all know. It is sexually immoral. It is pre-marital sex(which is wrong) . God created sex don't you think he would know when you would experience it the best and to its best abilities? And that is in a marriage. Not by yourself, and not in a boyfriend-girlfriend situation. My tip to people that haven't tried it yet is DO NOT TRY IT. It becomes an obsession. And if you don't do it then you don't realize what your missing. :D -Mick

Astreja said...

Anonymouse, if you want anyone to believe that your god invented sex, you're going to have to first prove that your god exists.

And there is nothing whatsoever wrong with masturbation, fantasizing, *or* pre-marital sex between consenting parties of appropriate ages.

The only thing you got right was the obsession part. Obsession can be extremely damaging to one's mental health.

And that includes obsessing about imaginary invisible super-beings who have Strong Opinions about how we choose to use our quickly-moving parts.

Now go fuck yourself. And I so mean it.

THE ACE said...

The comments of the Born-Agains
on this topic are so ironic. These
people are so filled with the guilt and fear of ancient beliefs
and superstitions. If anyone could
use a good whack-off, its them!

Sure, I'd rather make love to a
woman, but unless you're married
or in a relationship, that's not
always possible. And during my
Christian days, I always prayed
that God would send me that someone
special. And how much help did I
get?

You guessed it. Nada...Zilch..Bupkis. One of about
a thousand unanswered prayers.

So, instead of masturbating, perhaps I should just go out and
rape some woman? Would that make
you Bible-beaters happy? At least
I won't be touching myself!

Christians need a severe reality
check.

Anonymous said...

I statrted masterbateing not long ago. It wasn't a big deal, I was enjoying what God gave to me. After some time, I started lusting. Masterbation leads to lust and lust is wrong. Now some of you said that you have to be free from sin to be accepted into heaven. No, that's not true. No one is free from sin.Everyone sins, sorry, but it's true. Your job is to aviod temptation, spread the word of God to others, and follow his ways. Jesus died for us so we could have a chance in heaven. If jesus didn't do that, no one would be alowed in, but because he died, as long as we beleive in him, we can be allowed in heaven. Ever read John 3:16 in the bible? that's what it says. I think that masterbating is not a good thing to start to do. You must be a strong human being and aviod temptation.

Astreja said...

Anonymouse: "Now some of you said that you have to be free from sin to be accepted into heaven."

Who? Where?? Not any of us regulars. This is an ex-Christian site.

"Jesus died for us so we could have a chance in heaven. If jesus didn't do that, no one would be alowed in..."

Damned stupid way to run a celestial paradise, in My opinion. Forever tainting the place with blood.

"Ever read John 3:16 in the bible?"

Yup. Absolutely disgusting. I rejected it many years ago as utter bullcrap. A gift purchased with human sacrifice is not worth having.

"You must be a strong human being and aviod temptation."

Make up your mind, kid... You can't become a strong human being by avoiding problems -- You must confront them.

AtheistToothFairy said...

Anonymous wrote:
I statrted masterbateing not long ago.... Masterbation leads to lust and lust is wrong.

Perhaps in YOUR case, young anon, you should have taken up spelling as a hobby, rather than masturbation.

Now some of you said that you have to be free from sin to be accepted into heaven. No, that's not true

I don't know what website you think your on, but no member here would suggest such a thing about being "free from sin"

No one is free from sin.Everyone sins, sorry, but it's true

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here on this sin stuff.
I for SURE, DO NOT 'sin'. Never did, in fact.

I might do something 'wrong' from time to time, but I never ever 'sin'.

'Sin' assumes one has done something wrong, based on laws from your god's rule book, aka the bible.
One would first have to assume a 'god' exists, then one has to make another assumption that this god had anything to do with your bible book of myths.

Now, once you learn how to spell properly, then I see no problem with going back to your new found masturbation hobby.
Just try not doing it, while out in public, okay.


ATF (Who wonders who is responsible for letting such non-spellers, graduate from grade school?)

Steven Bently said...

For the Virgin Mary to bare a son without fornicating, she needed special semen and just where from did she receive this semen?

Ans: From God, and did he masturbate? Yes he did, is God a sinner? Yes he is. Was Jesus therefore born in sin? Yes he was.

Are God, Jesus and Mary going straight to hell for this? Yes they are.

Mr. Obvious said...

Anony, anony, anony... One view of lust, suggests it is a person who exhibits uncontrolled urges.

Perhaps, you are not aware of the concept of "moderation". You know, if a person overacts or under-acts in terms of physical behaviors, they are going to threaten their life.

I'll give you an easy example; if you don't drink enough water, you die (dehydration). If you drink too much water, you die (drown).

It's called keeping a balance in one's life, in "all" areas, that provides someone with a healthy life-style.

Now, when is the last time your religious leader sat in the pulpit and discussed how often you should wax bat?

Mr. Obvious (who thinks putting a car up on blocks reduces mileage, but increases the need to perform routine maintenance - what good is a defective car with low mileage)

THE ACE said...

Now just a darn minute here. Based
on my knowledge and experience,
masturbation is an excellent way to
control lust, not increase it. If
you're male, and that wife or girlfriend isn't around when the
urge comes upon you, masturbation
relieves that feeling, and you end
up feeling much better, and no one is harmed at all.

Anonymous, it sounds like the church is controlling too many aspects of your life; of course,
that's what its all about, control through fear and guilt. I know, it victimized me enough in my younger days. Now it seems bizarre to me
I let the superstitions and hang-ups of an archaic civilization
rule my life.

Remember that old saying that points out the advantages of masturbation..You don't have to dress up, you're sure not to disappoint anyone, and you meet a
much better class of people that way!

Dave8 said...

Comical role...

Well, just came home a little while ago from the musical; Phantom of the Opera, and while pondering the limits of human creativity, I comically thought of Avenue-Q, and its implications of this thread - between the internet and masturbation.

Just a thought... enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc