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It's so fucked up that Fox News can spot a cult from a mile away, but can't see that Christianity itself fits Fox's definition of a cult to a tee.
Most fundies say that he's the anti-christ. Which begs the question, why haven't all the x-tians been taken away?heh. It is all a crock of bull...Leave it to Fox(that happens to have a faith based network in the works. Gimme a break).
To Joe:One definition of "Cult": A following of people. (www.britishcouncil.org/ukinfocus-music-glossary.htm)I generally consider a cult to be a group of individuals who share a common belief, congregate, and who's beliefs rest in the minority compared to the rest of the population. Sounds like this place.Dave Poole
David Poole,For once I agree with you.Now we must define what christianity is! It is an occult!oc·cult - Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.I'd rather spend my time with a cult.
There truly is no limit to human stupidity. If a God made us, he must have left us a long time ago, holding his head in his hands and going "Oh Jesus fucking Christ, they are so STUPID!".Oh well. This guy isn´t forcing anyone, or preaching brimstone. He´s your run-of-the-mill "Give me your money I will tell you what you really want to hear"-type. As long as he´s not moving into a compound with armed guards and 54 child-brides, I say more power to him. Fuck the gullible airheads. Darwin prevails.Okay. I don´t really feel THAT harsh... but honestly, people. How dumb do you have to be?
So David, by your definition, Christianity, when it was birthed, was a cult. However, when a cult gets enough followers it becomes a bonafide, respectable religion, huh? Cults=minorty; Respected religions=majority?Okay, I got it. Oh, and here's a more contextually consistent definition of a cult to go with this story, as if you didn't know: cult–noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols. 3. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. 4. the members of such a religion or sect. From: dictionary.com In the end, a cult in this case is a system or community of religious worship and ritual. Therefore, I too agree with you, Christianity is indeed a cult.
David Poole's back and said: "I generally consider a cult to be a group of individuals who share a common belief, congregate, and who's(whose) beliefs rest in the minority compared to the rest of the population. Sounds like this place." 1) If Atheism is a "belief", then NOT collecting butterflies is a "hobbie". So obviously then, no, Atheism is NOT a "belief"(for those who didn't get it the first gazillion times it was explained to them).If someone asks a Templar Knight(a Christian): "Hey, do you believe in Allah?"....I highly doubt they'd respond with--"Why yes, I DO BELIEVE that Allah doesn't exist."2) We "congregate"?...::looks around::.. Where?..at our PC desks? If we are "congregating", then ANYONE reading this is part of our "congregation". Everybody?... say hello to David Poole and welcome him to our "cult". "Hellooo David". BTW, we're not all Atheists, and/or of the same "NON-belief".3) And yes, we're in a "minority"...just like we would've been had we existed when the MAJORITY of the world's population believed the world was flat. 'Thing is---most "cults" back their belief with heresy evidence and/or legendary religious dogma, not science. Stee-rike three! lol
Oh-ho...that's scary. I'd consider it a good twist on Christianity IF it were non-profit. But it's not. I can't respect anyone who takes money or encourages people to cut ties with their families in return for spiritual guidance. And the protests. Hmmm...suspicious.I'd have to call it a potentionally dangerous cult. (When you think of it, any religion is a cult, but some are more dangerous than others.) This one seems peaceful for now. Emphasis on "for now".I remember being told about a guy named Jim Jones who led followers to believe he was Jesus Christ. They all died around Thanksgiving in the year I was born (1978), forced by their benevolent shepherd to drink cyanide.
Don't worry about David. If he didn't get strong reations he would vanish.I thought that the video's at least were a good step in the right direction. No devil and no sin. At least this guy got this far. He deserves a BMW for getting fundies further up the food chain.If there has to be fundies around, maybe this guy is better than some of the alternatives.I am a free-thinker, but I hope his church takes over many others! That would be a hoot and possibly a good thing.HiHo
The way I heard it was "the only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of people that believe/practice it". I agree with that.
David Poole, Weclcome to the collective! You are now borge 5of7!ROFL!!
avie said: "I can't respect anyone who takes money or encourages people to cut ties with their families in return for spiritual guidance."Afterall, the guy said he was jesus himself. Luke 14:26 is the mantra. Read it!
What does it take to get people to see what is before their faces? This seems so much like the OT accounts of ancient Israel. No matter what happens--floods wiping out entire cities around the globe (tsunami, Katrina), evangelists lining their pockets on people's life savings--nothing makes so much as a dint of impression. No one wakes up. It used to be said that education would solve this world's problems. I think Westerners probably have a higher per centage of university educated citizens than ever before in history. Yet we see things like this! These people are obviously upper-class rich and educated people. The "Jesus" guy is not all that bright. He doesn't know his history very well. Got some fact wrong; I forget what but it labels him as not being omniscient.
Looked at it again. He said Satan is from Hollywood. Is this just me being unfamiliar with the culture or what? Satan existed centuries and centuries before Hollywood.
I have an idea: Let's put a bunch of these people in a big arena with all of the Westboro Baptists and see who wins.I'd buy THAT on pay-per-view!!
twincats said..."I have an idea: Let's put a bunch of these people in a big arena with all of the Westboro Baptists and see who wins."Are you saying let's revive the Roman whatchamacallit where condemned criminals had to fight wild animals?
To boom:Atheism: A belief that there are no gods. Greek "a-theos": without-god.www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm1. The doctrine or belief that there is no God.http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/atheismDave Poole
This just goes to show that anyone in the protestant belief can claim any title and they know there's always someone stupid enpough to follow them, like mindless rats.
Or, Atheism: disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. dictionary.com Atheism, in its broadest sense, is the absence of belief in the existence of deities. A narrower definition includes only those who believe that deities do not exist, and excludes those who hold no position on the question (see agnostics and other non-theists). In other words, an "atheist" can be defined as either:A person who does not believe the proposition "At least one god exists"; or A person who believes the proposition "No god or gods exist". Although some atheists tend toward skepticism and secular philosophies such as humanism, naturalism, and materialism, there is no system of philosophy which all atheists share, nor does atheism have institutionalized rituals or behaviors. For example, while many atheists reject the existence of the supernatural, others do not. — wikipedia.org
Or here's another: Atheism 1 a: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. (American Heritage)David Poole, use any definition you'd like---Atheists are non-believers in God(s). If I'm a non-theist, that means I do NOT have theism. BTW, the original Webster entry was, a: one who denies the existance of god(s), which implies that there definitely IS a god, but some just deny the "fact". Why was it worded like that?....because Noah Webster was a Christian, that's why---showing that, yes, there's even bias in dictionary entries. Nonetheless, your original implication was that Ex-christian.net was a "cult". Wrong. Again, not everybody here is a non-believer in god---and I don't remember any "cult" in history whose members had diversified views, do you? Also, we don't "congregate"; Webmaster Dave doesn't tell us what to NOT believe; we don't wear necklaces with little gold "A"s dangling from them; we don't carry around little hand-books; and lastly, there's no conditions attached to whether or not we are participants at this website.Best regards.
Can we say "David Koresh, Part 2"?
Luke 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them,Take heed that no one decieves you. For many will comein My name, saying I am the Christ, and will decieve many.....Just a little truth for you all.....
How many of us when watching these videos couldn’t help but think of the parallels between this cult and main stream Christianity? How wonderful it would be if there were more nutjob groups like this one. Maybe people would start to question there own belief system. It is so beautiful to watch another cult use scripture as the pillars of their foundation. I can only laugh at the irony. If history is our best teacher it won’t be long until we find out that this whacko is having sex with all the hot chicks that worship him (what the hell, why not). Soon after that it will be discovered that he has millions of dollars stashed away in some foreign account. Just my take,Farris
"To boom:Atheism: A belief that there are no gods. Greek "a-theos": without-god.www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm1. The doctrine or belief that there is no God.http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/atheismDave Poole"Why is it important whether or not atheism is a religion?
Matthew 24:4-5Peter, you don't even know the scripture from which you verbally vomit! Your point is wasted anyway. If you could only hear yourself. I feel for you 5 of 5. Resistance is futile.
How on earth is it logical for them to bash this guy when they are doing the same fucken thing? I don't get it. I bet the guys doing the interviewing go to church and call themselves xians. I mean, yeah this guy is a phony, so is every other man who stands in a building and speaks from the bible. Its all make believe. Its all fake. Not one of them isn't living off of other people's money. And how exactly is 10% of members earings better than the members giving 80 to 90%? Exactly why does god need money? Oh yeah, because he never learn how to manage it, that's right.Yes, the man drives an expensive car. How many other preachers do that very same thing? Some even live in very expesive houses. Seriously, this guy is only on TV because they view him as a threat to mainstream xianity.Let's hope he doesn't die at the hands of another xian. He'll become another Jesus then.
Peter's back with: "Luke 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them,Take heed that no one decieves you. For many will comein My name, saying I am the Christ, and will decieve many.....Just a little truth for you all....."Thanks for the "truth"-- so maybe that babbling over-zealous jewish fanatic who was eventually nailed to the cross has deceived a large portion of mankind into thinking he is/was someone he was not. Oh, but wait...if you're a self-elected "Christian", only others can be "deceived". How convenient.
"Why is it important whether or not atheism is a religion?"In this case it wasn't about Atheism being a "religion"---it was a foiled charge that Exchristian.net is a "cult". Since Christians have no objective evidence for their belief, they sometimes attempt to bring the Atheist/Agnostic world-view down to their own dogmatic level. They do so by saying such things as-- "Atheism is a religion, too"..or, "Evolution is only a theory", etc. Y' know, the usual rap.
"Don't worry about David. If he didn't get strong reations he would vanish."Naw, keep David around so I can stick some pins in his head.
Peter - just how the hell do you know what you've said is 'the truth'? Please explain... -Wes.
All truth is Gods truth...Gods word is Holy and true to those who have His spirit...Dare I be accused of using a circular argument....Like evolution stating that we date the fossils by the date of the rocks thier foundin. and we date the rocks by the date of the fossils....2 Peter 3:3-7knowing this first, that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to thier own lusts, and saying, "where is the promise of His (Jesus) coming???" For since the Fathers fell asleep, all things conyinue as they were from the begening of creation." For this they will forget; that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the Earth standing out of water and in the water, By which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men....hmm sounds like you he's talking about but thats just my perception....
Thanks Peter…quoting out of a book proves…what? That it is the truth because it says so? As per your dare, there’s that “circular logic” we can accuse you of using. I have my copy of Merriam-Webster’s dictionary right here. Let’s see if this book is also true. Yep, there is the word “truth” in it. Oh, and here are the words “You”… “are”… “an”… “idiot”…”fundamentalist” too! By golly, this book is the absolute truth!!!
To Bro. Peter, All truth is Gods truth...Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard child shall not enter the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation, shall he not enter the congregation of the Lord.Jesus was a bastard child!!!
The Bible is true because God says so. God exists because the Bible says so.Got it.
Peter,Here is what the Holy Quaran says to those who don’t follow Allah’s and his messenger’s truth:40:5 The folk of Noah and the factions after them denied (their messengers) before these, and every nation purposed to seize their messenger and argued falsely, (thinking) thereby to refute the Truth. Then I seized them, and how (awful) was My punishment. 40:6 Thus was the word of thy Lord concerning those who disbelieve fulfilled: That they are owners of the Fire. 40:7 Those who bear the Throne, and all who are round about it, hymn the praises of their Lord and believe in Him and ask forgiveness for those who believe (saying): Our Lord! Thou comprehendest all things in mercy and knowledge, therefor forgive those who repent and follow Thy way. Ward off from them the punishment of hell.I hope that you are worshiping the right Gawd!.....LMAO!!
Peter wrote:"Like evolution stating that we date the fossils by the date of the rocks thier foundin. and we date the rocks by the date of the fossils...."Peter, do you have any idea what radiometric dating is?
3 Peter 20:4 and so it came to pass; that Jesus farted, and he did rise.
"Like evolution stating that we date the fossils by the date of the rocks thier foundin. and we date the rocks by the date of the fossils..."Peter, radiometric dating doesn't work like that. If you don't trust a Wikipedia article, perhaps you'd like to hear it from a fellow believer who's a scientist (a physicist, to be specific)? See Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective.As for the rest, let me just remind you of two other biblical verses (related to each other) that some Christians (including yourself, apparently) can't seem to abide by..."If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."(Rom. 12:18)"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"(Heb. 12:14)Intelligent, well-reasoned discussion is fine. If, however, your intent is simply to antagonize perhaps you should do as your Jesus admonished and tend to the plank in your own eye.
Peter:If all truth is God's truth, and you quoted 2 Peter 3:3-7, you must believe every word of 2 Peter 3:3-7. What does it mean that the world was formed out of water and by water? Does that relate to Genesis 1:2, where there was nothing but water before God started creating things? Then He stuck a firmament in the water, separating water above it from water below it (v. 6-7), and then made dry land appear in the water unerneath(v. 9)? Does that description match what we know about the world? Is it true? Does it make any sense? All:Cults, no matter what they are based on, typically have the following characteristics:1. Most importantly, an avatar. The avatar is the cult leader, who is essentially God to the cult. If ex-christian.net has an avatar, I've never hear the name, seen the face or been told to follow the person. This site is just a lot of like-minded people engaged in freethought. I can't imagine that anybody posting here would accept the role of an avatar in their lives. 2. A recruiting strategy that includes isolating people, subjecting them to intense emotional appeals, then putting them on the spot with an intimidating invitation to dedicate their lives the group and do everything the avatar says. The invitation is very difficult to refuse in the social situation and "just feels right." Nobody at ex-christian.net is trying to isolate me and subject me to that kind of appeal. 3. Separatism. Contact with people outside of the cult is highly discouraged, except for the purpose of recruiting new members. Outsiders are not only considered different, they are considered evil. Ex-christian.net does not separate group members, and the membership is an extremely loose association of completely free individuals. I can log on whenever I want, or leave the group for any length of time, or tell the webmaster to f' off without fear of reprisal. Any cause can bedome a cult. Amway and other multi-level marketing organizations have been known to function that way. Ex-christian.net doesn't come close, but the churches usually do. Having a large membership and a mainstream ideology doesn't make them non-cults, IMHO.
The true christian on earth which relates to the true believer of God is one of humbleness ,honesty ,caring for others,wanting to understand and listen to the wisdom the the bible and its amazing teachings!Most if not all writings that have any substance at all are actually stolen from the writings in the bible.People can have an opinion and when they share their opinion they are actually telling on the nature and character of their heart and souls.When one speaks that they were once christian beware of that human being because for a person to truly believe that Christ was the son of God and now they say hes not were never true believers in the first place!For you to truly believe in something you have to be thouroughly convinced of it without doubts. to turn from it means you never got it in the first place and thats a shame!for the truth does set a mind and soul free.But the magnificence of the book is that those that are going to defile it will and cannot see it for they are going to be judged by the Father and not protected by the son.I can only hope that you readers dont listen to the cheap anti sales pitch of christianity here because without the foundation of christianty there wouldnt be the hospitals the schools the missionary and charitable foundations the justice system and the wonderful free society we all enjoy!America is great and strong because of this foundatio and if you dont believe it start reading of the foundations of just the school system in america and how the christian schools were the ones that survived and made life better .without the nature of the Lord Jesus this country will fall and experience a suffering that it has never experienced before for history has a way of repeating itself and when you turn from God then you have given your spirit to the other spirit that causes the hateful message that this site seems to promote! God bless you for reading this message may it evoke you to further learn the truth not just the sad messages that people are trying to give here!
diesel,Every cult on the planet says the same thing: If you apostatize from the cult, you were never a "true cultist™."It's a retarded apologetic. Get lost.
Diesel,Most of what's good in Christianity existed earlier in Buddhism, the Jain religion, Daoism, Hinduism, the Analects of Confucius, and just about every religion that has nurtured and improved society. Most of it is just common sense that any thoughtful, compassionate person could figure out on their own."For you to truly believe in something you have to be thouroughly convinced of it without doubts."Follow that premise to its natural conclusion, please. If your belief system cannot countenance any doubt whatsoever, you will literally drive yourself insane pretending that you have no doubts."...because without the foundation of christianty there wouldnt be the hospitals the schools the missionary and charitable foundations the justice system and the wonderful free society we all enjoy!"Wrong. Medicine, education, charity and justice exist in all successful societies, regardless of any supernatural beliefs their populations may have held.But you can keep the missionary crap if you want. Don't need it.
diesel said "Most if not all writings that have any substance at all are actually stolen from the writings in the bible."Shall I assume you feel that Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Confucius, Homer, and Archimedes, contributed nothing of substance? Or do you claim they "stole" from the Bible?diesel: "When one speaks that they were once christian beware of that human being because for a person to truly believe that Christ was the son of God and now they say hes not were never true believers in the first place!"Well, then, you have a bit of a problem. You see, many people here really truly believed that Jesus was divine, and bought into the entire Christian edifice. But now they don't. People can and do change their minds, especially when better or more complete information comes along. Those who left Christianity and other cults generally did so after realizing that much of what they had been told just didn't add up. So, it seems that the facts contradict your statement.diesel: "For you to truly believe in something you have to be thouroughly convinced of it without doubts."No, no, I disagree most emphatically. If you cannot entertain doubts, then you are not critical. If you are not critical, then your beliefs are somewhat arbitrary, and therefore untrustworthy. Thus, if you cannot doubt, the odds of you being right are vanishingly small.
Jim Arvo said:If you are not critical, then your beliefs are somewhat arbitrary, and therefore untrustworthy. Thus, if you cannot doubt, the odds of you being right are vanishingly small--WELL SAID Jim!!!Of course, as we all 'know', nothing can beat faith when it comes to 'knowing' something with great certainty.....NOT!ATF
"...for a person to truly believe that Christ was the son of God and now they say hes not were never true believers in the first place!"That's like saying that a child who no longer believes that Santa is real, NEVER really believed in him in the first place. Bullshit!It may very well be that there were no doubts at all, at least untill some new information came along. And that is what makes it possible to change ones beliefs. New information that calls into question what one has held as a truth.
Remember the saying that "Anything that is worth having is worth working for", still remains true. Life is not easy but it is filled with choices. They consist of life and death, good and evil. I choose life, and that is Christ Jesus. Sure, you are saying that this is a bunch of crock, but the truth is that in the Bible many were chosen for just that their past and due to the pain and strife that they would endure for his name sake. Yes there are heartaches and pains but it shows us what we are made of and if we are really ready (tried and true for the call of God). I beg you to seek God while he may be found! You see the times that we are living in, it is not too late! Make Jesus your choice today and miss the fiery hell for those who chose not to believe. I love you, but most of all God loves you and I hope you will repent and turned from your sin and wicked ways before it is EVERLASTING too LATE!I am praying for and with you!!!!
Andrea Mittman: "Remember the saying that "Anything that is worth having is worth working for", still remains true."Já, I concur. However, I think that death-obsessed cults such as Christianity stand in the way of that work."I choose life, and that is Christ Jesus."I also choose life, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus (who, if he ever existed, is nearly 2,000 years dead)."Sure, you are saying that this is a bunch of crock, but the truth is..."Yes, we know what the Bible says. I, Myself, do not consider the Bible to be a credible source of information, any more than you would find the Hávamál credible."I beg you to seek God while he may be found!"Andrea, what part of Ex-Christian did you not understand? The search is over, and your god was a no-show."Make Jesus your choice today and miss the fiery hell for those who chose not to believe."Andrea, if your god actually exists (and I doubt it)...And if said god is such an arrogant, asinine, vicious bastard that it would actually torture people forever for non-belief (and I doubt that even more)......I choose to go to that Hell rather than worship such a being.And there is nothing you can do to change My mind."I love you, but most of all God loves you..."Then pray to your imaginary god to abolish this hypothetical Hell for all time, and release every sentient being therein, including any purported 'demons' who may reside therein.If you are unprepared to pray for such a thing, you are as much a jerk as your god, and your 'love' is just fear of death wearing a party frock.(Oh, and unless you make blóta to Oðinn; do puja to Lakshmi; and regularly thank the Parking Gods for that really good spot by the grocery store, you ain't prayin' with Me.)
Andrea...Remember the saying that "Anything that is worth having is worth working for", still remains true.Yes, I remember. Take a paycheck, for instance. I assert that if one has been punching a time-clock for 30, 40, or 50 years, and never once saw an employer or paycheck, well, I think it might be time to start looking for different "work". Call me "cRaZy".You...Life is not easy but it is filled with choices. They consist of life and death, good and evil. I choose life, and that is Christ Jesus.No, I'm so sorry, but that is not entirely true. You see, "life" is simply "life", and it is so, regardless of what religious figureheads one believes in. "Death" is part of "life". Everything that "lives", eventually dies...kaput; bye-bye; adios; the end. As for "evil", there is none. There is only what is unethical, taking cultural relativity into consideration. And besides, even if your philosophy were true, "evil" IS NOT "a choice"; you are a "sinner" by birth, thus, you cannot avoid "evil". Good luck with that. You...Sure, you are saying that this is a bunch of crock..The first - and probably the only point - we'll agree on. Although, personally, I think "crock of shit" rolls off the tongue a little better. You......but the truth is that in the Bible many were chosen for just that their past and due to the pain and strife that they would endure for his name sake.The truth? The truth is that you haven't shown that the bible is "the truth". And unless/until you do, refering to it is about as useful as a wad of bubblegum on my door mat.You...Yes there are heartaches and pains but it shows us what we are made of and if we are really ready (tried and true for the call of God). There are "heartaches and pains", because your invisible biblegod is either nonexistent, or else, he is behaving precisely as if he is nonexistent. 'Same difference.You...I beg you to seek God while he may be found!I beg you to find reason while it may be found!You...You see the times that we are living in, it is not too late!The "times that we are living in"? Oh, you mean, the end times? Do you realize that if no one knows when "the end" actually is, that it's technically ALWAYS the "end times"? You...Make Jesus your choice today and miss the fiery hell for those who chose not to believe.Make reason your choice today, and miss wasting another second of your life believing in superstitious, logically inconsistant, stupid shit.You...I love you, but most of all God loves you and I hope you will repent and turned from your sin and wicked ways before it is EVERLASTING too LATE!I don't love you, or any other person I've known for 8 seconds, but most of all, I don't love any being who would promise to incinerate me for not believing in them, and thus, I couldn't give a shit less if it's "too LATE", or not.You...I am praying for and with you!!!!No, you'll be on your knees by your lonesome. I gave up begging invisible beings to help me, the day I got my mind back.
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