10/18/2007                                                                                       View Comments

Many people use God as a temporary fix

By IDarwin

This is my first time to this site, and I liked all the comments. I figured I'd write something.

As I read the comments, it reminds me of the Christians I know in my life (my family for example).

From my experience, it's not the evidence that causes them to believe so much as being born into it, and then believing God has changed their life, or "blessed" it somehow.

It's like giving someone a magic pill, and telling them this has great power, and it will help you if you just believe. So they do, and they work hard, and lo and behold, they change!! And they keep on believing in this power pill and sharing the Good News to all, and you just want to wake them up and tell them its not real.

Like God, why can't they see what seems so obvious?

And for the most part, this may not be harmful to them or those around them. It might actually continue to be beneficial. So why speak out against it? Because when you look at the big picture, it becomes dangerous. Because entire lives are built on false reasoning. People's priorities become skewed. And these people can make choices based on false presumptions, that effect all of us.

One, albeit fanciful, example: What if we find out that a comet is going to destroy Earth 10 years from now. What will we as a human race do? I would worry that all the God/afterlife believers would jump at the chance to "save" as many souls as possible, seeing the comet as God's plan, and there is no need to worry for he has everything in control. Where as unbelievers as a whole would be more inclined to find a way to save the planet.

Sure, Christians can do good things, so can non-Christians. It's not about the good that happens, it's about the bad that happens BECAUSE of religion. And when these bad things happen, religion doesn't seek to change.

In my opinion, many people use God as a temporary fix. Whether its because they need a greater purpose, or social need or [insert common human condition here]. They have some need, and don't have the right tools to fix it (or don't bother to look), so they find a God to fit this need. And there ARE tools out there, to fix it right, but it might take some time and some study. God is a temp-fix, duck tape at best.

I was a Christian for a number of years. One side of my family has four generations of Pastors, with a couple of ministers on the other side too. My whole family worked (and some still work) for the church. But thankfully I questioned. I love science and logic and it was only a matter of time before I finally put religion to the test. It took me a good 5 years of further reading, studying and questioning before I was able to have a strong foundation in which to live my life. But that doesn't mean I've stopped questioning or searching.

It was scary, and it was new to me, but the more I saw the truth the stronger I felt. As a Christian, you feel you have it all together, like you are strong and unshakable. You think the non-Christians are lost, with no purpose. But for most free-thinkers, rationalists, atheists, this isn't true.

When Christians ask me, "How can you be moral when you don't believe in God?" or "If you don't believe in God, what's the point, why don't you just kill yourself?" it tells me their mind and reasoning is in a bad place. In my opinion, this is why so many of the deconverted feel more free. We can look at things like death, morals, suffering, pleasure, family, self, life, ect., and see things how they really are -- the real truth to these things as we know it now. I can give good, reality-based reasons to why I don't steal or hurt others, rather than, "Because God said so, and I love God."

I don't know it all, and I can admit that. No one knows it all. But that's no reason to assume there must be a God out there.

23 comments:

fjell said...

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this! It brushes over quite an array of topics, and imparts a nicely brief yet multi-faceted peek into unbelief. The notion of the quick fix seems quite an accurate call, as religion must indeed at least be partly the result of an innate human desire to experience the awe-inspiring and transcendent. Unfortunately, religion is clumsy tool to that end and, as our technology increases in its potency, a dangerous one. Better tools are available and it is a shame that the shackles of religion will keep billions of people from allowing fresh, innovative, and inspiring ideas from being born in their own minds. Religion has become entirely cumbersome to rich realms of possibility. We are like healthy full-grown adults who still believe that our bicycles remain upright due to the addition of training wheels.

fjell

Poltergoost said...

I too enjoyed this reading. Here is one statement that really jumped out at me.

"And these people can make choices based on false presumptions, that effect all of us."

You are exactly right. There were many decisions I made based on "God's Will" back when I was a christian, that brought hurt, and pain into my life. These decisions that I made were based on the so called word of god, "The Bible".

Like all other christians I had been taught to refer to the "Bible" in order to find the will of God. Instead of finding his grand plan, I ended up finding disappointment, hurt, and pain. I did everything I knew to do to seek out God's will, only to be let down over and over again.

I wanted to please God, and do the right thing. All I kept on hearing from my pastor and my christian colleagues was, "I'll pray for you, keep searching, and have faith". I also kept hearing all this cheap talk about how god was going to do these big things in my life, and none of these things ever came to pass.

Hearing that type of stuff from other christians did not make me feel any better. I needed to hear from God/Jesus is who I needed to hear from. I didn't need to hear some lame excuse or some lame answer that christians gave me. They could never come up with a practical answer, and Jesus failed to reveal himself to me in a loving personal way, and provide the answers that I needed, so after years of struggling in the christian faith, I said the hell with it, renounced Christ as a false god, and I walked away from the faith back in 2004.

My father who is still a huge part of the faith has made a lot of decisions based on his christian beliefs that has hurt his family over the years. My father is a good man, however he is too blind to see the damage that has been done to his family because of his serving Jesus. If it hadn't been for his faulty faith, there are many decisions that he would've made that would've kept his family together better. Instead, christianity has divided my family.

My father is enslaved to his beliefs and he can't even see it. He is now 79 years old, and I'm pretty certain at his age, he will never change his mind.

I do not regret, nor do I apologize for leaving the christian cult. My only regret is that I got involved with it in the first place.

Poltergoost

Anonymous said...

just thought i'd let you know that it's duct tape, not duck tape. lol. no big deal. funny though :-)
*imagines a duck struggling to free itself from tape*

stronger now said...

Duck tape is a brand name of duct tape. But if you use any kind of tape to subdue a duck, I suppose the name would still fit.

Trans-man said...

I agree with this for the most part, except for the comet.
Most christians will actually scramble to find a fix for it as well, but as soon as it's found, it's "praise to god" and "thank you Jesus" and "glory to the lord" who made the fix possible. Just like when they're sick. Most of them, with a few exceptions who are really badly deluded, will still go to the doctor. Of course, it wasn't the doctor's work that in the end helped them, it was all god, but hey.... Can't give praise to the doctor, right?

Poltergoost said...

I remember back when I use to go to church a lot of the time when someone would sing a solo in church, they never knew how to take a compliment for the good job they did. Instead, some of them would say, "It wasn't me, it was the lord".

Looking back on it, I always wanted to tell that person what a stupid comment they made, and that they need to learn how to appreciate a compliment.

Poltergoost

Anonymous said...

You know what's the sad part about all your reasonings? The knowledge that you guys retain is so limited.
only if you can expand your thoughts enough to recognise that christians are not lazy jobless people. christian are some of the most successful people in the world. For instant lets use the, comet situation as an example. scientist, astronauts, doctors, teachers and the list goes on are christians too so you see the the scientist that found the proplem could be working for God and the astronaut that was sent off to fix it is working for God as well. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, God works in all different ways, form and places, not only in church. Hopefully your BRAIN as some more in formation to work wit alongside you thoughts, cause honestly i don't want to sit here and go on and on about all the other profession.

AtheistToothFairy said...

AnyMouse scribbled this chicken scratch:
God works in all different ways, form and places, not only in church. Hopefully your BRAIN as some more in formation to work wit alongside you thoughts, cause honestly i don't want to sit here and go on and on about all the other profession
--------
Scribbling mouse,

Did you know that even xtian mice can get an education, where they can learn how to write and spell.
It's TRUE.....Cross my heart and hope to 'die'...errrr, wake up a fundie one day.

So I think you're trying to say that if a comet was headed for earth, god would use (-and abuse-) some astronomer to let us know in advance it was coming, yes?
Then god would find some humans, with BRAINS, to find a means to save our planet from this comet, right?

Gosh, I sure hope these human saviors of our planet know how to type a legible memo, so we can all stay well "in formation" "wit" god's communications through these special used humans of his.

Would these saviours of mankind have to be xtians like yourself, or does god use atheist as well in his plans to save us all?

Don't you find it odd that your god doesn't just change the path of the comet instead?
Why is it that every action you attribute to your god, always is the action of a human instead?
You SAY that your god uses humans to do his work and while that might be possible if god really existed, I find it quite strange that god NEVER does anything himself.
Why don't we see your god taking action today, like he did throughout your bible stories?

So mouse, got any proof that your god is real, other than your insistence that he works by using men to do his dirty-work?


ATF (Who wonders why the great holy spirit that dwells in this xtain, doesn't know how to write and spell any better than a house mouse?)

webmdave said...

For scientific evidence for God see www.thecometsofgod.com jeff

webmdave said...

Please check out www.thecometsofgod.com There is scientific evidence for the God of the Bible jeff

webmdave said...

It would have been better for you to spend more time addressing the God-real/fake issue than insulting someone based on their grammar. I don't think anyone of any religion can honestly say that someone is "stupid" for not believing in God. They simply don't believe in God. Therefore I don't think it's acceptable to say that people who do believe in God are stupid either.
Every belief system has people who ruin their family lives when making poor decisions, or when making decisions without considering all the facts and repercussions. I don't think poor decisions made by Christians are any more detrimental to the world than poor decisions made by anyone else.

webmdave said...

PplRPpl
"I don't think anyone of any religion can honestly say that someone is "stupid" for not believing in God. They simply don't believe in God."

Xtian anonymouse said above:"You know what's the sad part about all your reasonings? The knowledge that you guys retain is so limited." "Hopefully your BRAIN as some more in formation to work wit alongside you thoughts, cause honestly i don't want to sit here and go on and on about all the other profession."

You are defending someone who is attacking people on this site for being "stupid".
The whole point of the attack was that non-xtians cannot retain any information in their heads.
ATF points out that its like the pot calling the kettle black - xtian calling non-xtian stupid when the xtian cannot even master basic grammar or spelling. Then he brings out REAL issues which the xtian anonymouse never replied.

Just like you... you call out ATF for insulting the xtian when the Xtian insulted him first without provocation and never brought any real issues.
Its good to see how BIASED xtians like you are. :)
Plus you are not bringing up any real issues either - so shoo!

webmdave said...

ppirppl,

It would have been better for you to spend more time addressing the God-real/fake issue than insulting someone based on their grammar. I don't think anyone of any religion can honestly say that someone is "stupid" for not believing in God.

Nope, but I can, honestly, say they're ignorant and, usually, someones poor spelling, poor punctuation, lack of grammar and sentence structure, is a pretty good indicator that these people lack skills, in critical thinking and they base their beliefs -- not on reason, supported by evidence -- but, solely, on faith or a lack of evidence, thereby, distinguishing them to be morbidly, ignorant and perpetually, gullible.

Christians aren't stupid, they just can't substantiate their extraordinary claim of god's existence, without falling back on wishful thinking -- what they call faith.

Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the spot of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck. -- Thomas Jefferson

--S.

webmdave said...

AnyMouse scribbled this chicken scratch:
God works in all different ways, form and places, not only in church. Hopefully your BRAIN as some more in formation to work wit alongside you thoughts, cause honestly i don't want to sit here and go on and on about all the other profession
--------
Scribbling mouse,

Did you know that even xtian mice can get an education, where they can learn how to write and spell.
It's TRUE.....Cross my heart and hope to 'die'...errrr, wake up a fundie one day.

So I think you're trying to say that if a comet was headed for earth, god would use (-and abuse-) some astronomer to let us know in advance it was coming, yes?
Then god would find some humans, with BRAINS, to find a means to save our planet from this comet, right?

Gosh, I sure hope these human saviors of our planet know how to type a legible memo, so we can all stay well "in formation" "wit" god's communications through these special used humans of his.

Would these saviours of mankind have to be xtians like yourself, or does god use atheist as well in his plans to save us all?

Don't you find it odd that your god doesn't just change the path of the comet instead?
Why is it that every action you attribute to your god, always is the action of a human instead?
You SAY that your god uses humans to do his work and while that might be possible if god really existed, I find it quite strange that god NEVER does anything himself.
Why don't we see your god taking action today, like he did throughout your bible stories?

So mouse, got any proof that your god is real, other than your insistence that he works by using men to do his dirty-work?


ATF (Who wonders why the great holy spirit that dwells in this xtain, doesn't know how to write and spell any better than a house mouse?)

webmdave said...

You know what's the sad part about all your reasonings? The knowledge that you guys retain is so limited.
only if you can expand your thoughts enough to recognise that christians are not lazy jobless people. christian are some of the most successful people in the world. For instant lets use the, comet situation as an example. scientist, astronauts, doctors, teachers and the list goes on are christians too so you see the the scientist that found the proplem could be working for God and the astronaut that was sent off to fix it is working for God as well. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, God works in all different ways, form and places, not only in church. Hopefully your BRAIN as some more in formation to work wit alongside you thoughts, cause honestly i don't want to sit here and go on and on about all the other profession.

webmdave said...

I remember back when I use to go to church a lot of the time when someone would sing a solo in church, they never knew how to take a compliment for the good job they did. Instead, some of them would say, "It wasn't me, it was the lord".

Looking back on it, I always wanted to tell that person what a stupid comment they made, and that they need to learn how to appreciate a compliment.

Poltergoost

webmdave said...

I agree with this for the most part, except for the comet.
Most christians will actually scramble to find a fix for it as well, but as soon as it's found, it's "praise to god" and "thank you Jesus" and "glory to the lord" who made the fix possible. Just like when they're sick. Most of them, with a few exceptions who are really badly deluded, will still go to the doctor. Of course, it wasn't the doctor's work that in the end helped them, it was all god, but hey.... Can't give praise to the doctor, right?

webmdave said...

Duck tape is a brand name of duct tape. But if you use any kind of tape to subdue a duck, I suppose the name would still fit.

webmdave said...

just thought i'd let you know that it's duct tape, not duck tape. lol. no big deal. funny though :-)
*imagines a duck struggling to free itself from tape*

webmdave said...

I too enjoyed this reading. Here is one statement that really jumped out at me.

"And these people can make choices based on false presumptions, that effect all of us."

You are exactly right. There were many decisions I made based on "God's Will" back when I was a christian, that brought hurt, and pain into my life. These decisions that I made were based on the so called word of god, "The Bible".

Like all other christians I had been taught to refer to the "Bible" in order to find the will of God. Instead of finding his grand plan, I ended up finding disappointment, hurt, and pain. I did everything I knew to do to seek out God's will, only to be let down over and over again.

I wanted to please God, and do the right thing. All I kept on hearing from my pastor and my christian colleagues was, "I'll pray for you, keep searching, and have faith". I also kept hearing all this cheap talk about how god was going to do these big things in my life, and none of these things ever came to pass.

Hearing that type of stuff from other christians did not make me feel any better. I needed to hear from God/Jesus is who I needed to hear from. I didn't need to hear some lame excuse or some lame answer that christians gave me. They could never come up with a practical answer, and Jesus failed to reveal himself to me in a loving personal way, and provide the answers that I needed, so after years of struggling in the christian faith, I said the hell with it, renounced Christ as a false god, and I walked away from the faith back in 2004.

My father who is still a huge part of the faith has made a lot of decisions based on his christian beliefs that has hurt his family over the years. My father is a good man, however he is too blind to see the damage that has been done to his family because of his serving Jesus. If it hadn't been for his faulty faith, there are many decisions that he would've made that would've kept his family together better. Instead, christianity has divided my family.

My father is enslaved to his beliefs and he can't even see it. He is now 79 years old, and I'm pretty certain at his age, he will never change his mind.

I do not regret, nor do I apologize for leaving the christian cult. My only regret is that I got involved with it in the first place.

Poltergoost

webmdave said...

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this! It brushes over quite an array of topics, and imparts a nicely brief yet multi-faceted peek into unbelief. The notion of the quick fix seems quite an accurate call, as religion must indeed at least be partly the result of an innate human desire to experience the awe-inspiring and transcendent. Unfortunately, religion is clumsy tool to that end and, as our technology increases in its potency, a dangerous one. Better tools are available and it is a shame that the shackles of religion will keep billions of people from allowing fresh, innovative, and inspiring ideas from being born in their own minds. Religion has become entirely cumbersome to rich realms of possibility. We are like healthy full-grown adults who still believe that our bicycles remain upright due to the addition of training wheels.

fjell

webmdave said...

Thank You, Monkeys and Sconnor :)

Now for you PplRPpl,

First off, the article itself "Many people use God as a temporary fix", is from Octobor 2007, so it's almost a year old already.
Three months go by, then along comes a badmouthing xtian, who then decides to post, but HIDES under an anonymous moniker.

I don't know how long you've been around our website, but if you look around at other articles from that time period (and earlier), you'll find that we were constantly being attacked by anonymous xtians or trolls.
It was quite commonplace for many of us ex-xtians to fight-back at such attacks, and that is exactly what I had done in this particular case.

Now, onto what you said.....

>I don't think anyone of any religion can honestly say that someone is "stupid" for not believing in God. They simply don't believe in God.

Actually, it's more like they would tell us (often), that we were "of the devil" and take great pleasure in telling us that we would fry in god's hell fire.
I think that's a bit worse than just calling us 'stupid', don't you?

You did notice that this anonymous xtian didn't bother to return, which FYI, most like this one, never do !!
Their intent is to dump their load here and scatter away; like the mouse this one was.


>Therefore I don't think it's acceptable to say that people who do believe in God are stupid either.

Someone can come in here and post using bad spelling and grammar and as long as they don't attack our ex-xtian status, they won't get treated badly by us.
However, when someone does attack us, and at the same time, writes like they didn't make it out of 2nd grade, it get a bit difficult to ignore their cryptic writing skills.

>Every belief system has people who ruin their family lives when making poor decisions, or when making decisions without considering all the facts and repercussions. I don't think poor decisions made by Christians are any more detrimental to the world than poor decisions made by anyone else.

Then I would say you haven't realized the great harm that religion has caused throughout history and the potential harm it has to the humanity of our future; including the xtian religion.

At the very least, if one believes that god is in control of the world's future, then one has less determination to fix the problems themselves.

To make matters worse, if you look at the rapture believing xtians, they can't wait till this earth (or society) self-destructs, in order to hasten the second coming of their so called saviour. They not only don't do anything to ensure humanities survival, but actually are a detriment to our survival; and even attempt to inhibit the progress that science tries to make.

Questions?


ATF (Who is more than happy to offer respect back, if one shows respect upon entering our home here)

webmdave said...

Thank You, Monkeys and Sconnor :)

Now for you PplRPpl,

First off, the article itself "Many people use God as a temporary fix", is from Octobor 2007, so it's almost a year old already.
Three months go by, then along comes a badmouthing xtian, who then decides to post, but HIDES under an anonymous moniker.

I don't know how long you've been around our website, but if you look around at other articles from that time period (and earlier), you'll find that we were constantly being attacked by anonymous xtians or trolls.
It was quite commonplace for many of us ex-xtians to fight-back at such attacks, and that is exactly what I had done in this particular case.

Now, onto what you said.....

>I don't think anyone of any religion can honestly say that someone is "stupid" for not believing in God. They simply don't believe in God.

Actually, it's more like they would tell us (often), that we were "of the devil" and take great pleasure in telling us that we would fry in god's hell fire.
I think that's a bit worse than just calling us 'stupid', don't you?

You did notice that this anonymous xtian didn't bother to return, which FYI, most like this one, never do !!
Their intent is to dump their load here and scatter away; like the mouse this one was.


>Therefore I don't think it's acceptable to say that people who do believe in God are stupid either.

Someone can come in here and post using bad spelling and grammar and as long as they don't attack our ex-xtian status, they won't get treated badly by us.
However, when someone does attack us, and at the same time, writes like they didn't make it out of 2nd grade, it get a bit difficult to ignore their cryptic writing skills.

>Every belief system has people who ruin their family lives when making poor decisions, or when making decisions without considering all the facts and repercussions. I don't think poor decisions made by Christians are any more detrimental to the world than poor decisions made by anyone else.

Then I would say you haven't realized the great harm that religion has caused throughout history and the potential harm it has to the humanity of our future; including the xtian religion.

At the very least, if one believes that god is in control of the world's future, then one has less determination to fix the problems themselves.

To make matters worse, if you look at the rapture believing xtians, they can't wait till this earth (or society) self-destructs, in order to hasten the second coming of their so called saviour. They not only don't do anything to ensure humanities survival, but actually are a detriment to our survival; and even attempt to inhibit the progress that science tries to make.

Questions?


ATF (Who is more than happy to offer respect back, if one shows respect upon entering our home here)