9/18/2008                                                                                       View Comments

Putting God First: A Ridiculous Idea

By Gretchen

"Put God first."


The first time I ever heard this phrase, it came from my Grandmother's lips. In her way, she was trying to instill in me the same wisdom passed down from generation to generation. The idea that having god as your number one priority would cure all of your ills and grant you everlasting life in Heaven. Mind you, she meant well. I am sure someone in her young life said those words to her, meaning no harm but trying to save her soul. But, now that I am older and away from the trap, I no longer think this phrase to be true -- or even correct.

It is the idea that a supposed all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, all-[insert your description here] would need so much (or anything) that makes it hard to believe. Basically, I fail to see what something that is supposed to be perfect and complete could gain from people praying to or worshiping it. By definition, being perfect implies there is no fault or defect or lack. Yet, Christians state that God wants you, needs you to love Him, even though He is fully complete and perfect already.

In all of the twisting and contorting, everyone forgets one thing: You can't have it both ways. Either God is perfect and requires nothing from us, or he is faulty and needs our love and adoration. God is not supposed to be like a flawed human, yet love, pride, jealousy, wrath, kindness, caring, hatred, and rage are all attached to Him -- all traits a human possesses. This is always explained away though. "God is outside of everything, and logic does not apply", they say. Well, unfortunately, this is not an answer. It is just mental gymnastics at it's best, trying to answer something that is impossible.

Another thing I have come to hate about the phrase is the implication that family and even children are to take a back seat to a deity. Again, why does a god need more from me than a child would? A child is helpless up to a certain age. They cannot survive without a parent's love and care. On the other hand, something that can answer prayers, punish the wicked with awesome displays of power, and created everything in existence, wouldn't need to care about whether or not I paid my lip service for the evening or read a few lines in a book. Yet, the mantra stands: "Put God First," and people believe it.

In my opinion, this idea is meant to keep you fastened to the cult. If everything is focused on the main character of the story, how can you entertain any other view? Kids, spouses, other family members, work, hobbies, and other things become second class to a deity. Who, if given the chance, would take pleasure in watching you suffer forever and ever. But forget about that, He loves you. Eye on the prize, baby, eye on the prize.

Christians can cut this any way they want. Main thing is, however, it's just another ridiculous example of cult mentality. When you take all of your energy and being, and put it into something that requires your full compliance, you are asking for trouble. It is dangerous to lose who you truly are in anything. But, it is even more dangerous to buy into a way of thinking that would put you in the place of choosing something you can't see over the people you love.

24 comments:

webmdave said...

Very interesting perspective! I see what you mean and a lot of what you say makes sense. Although I do believe in a greater being I agree that it is hard to make sense of a God who we characterize as having human feelings. To me, putting God first actually means taking care of kids, spouses and family members. I think that putting God first doesn't mean neglecting other relationship, yet quite the opposite: respecting His creation.

I absolutely agree, I don't think God needs us at all. Again this relates to humans but when I think of my relationship with my dog, I (his owner) find great joy when my dog behaves when people come over. I don't need that dog, yet it makes me very happy to watch the work I have spent training and loving it get reflected when it plays with kids and other people. In the same way, I think God gets great satisfaction when His creation (us) works hard for peace and love in our own lives.

You are correct, I don't think anyone can possibly understand God yet I'm not sure that not understanding explains away the fact that there can be a greater power. I think God's teaching of love really carries over. From the book of Matthew: "What you have done to the least of my people, you have done to me" basically explains that we are to treat one another with respect because we are all God's creation and therefore by putting God first, we can actually be catering to the needs of our own families and friends. So sitting in a building isn't necessarily what it means to put God first, often it is more like going out and helping and loving His people. I also agree with the fact that religion does become cultish often times and even Jesus himself recognized that. Who did he hang out with? The tax collectors and prostitutes. The "religious" actually scorned him and critisized him- I guess not much has changed over the past 2000 years! The funny thing is, the bible actually takes the focus off himself and focuses on others. Jesus never asked his disciples to get down and worship him, yet go love others was his main teaching.

Your comments got me to think and I appreciate that! I don't have all(hardly any!) of the world's answers yet I find strength in my faith. Hopefully what I've said gets you to think as well. Have a great day!

webmdave said...

read what you type next time lol. and where do you get that sociopaths do what they do becasue they are bored. do you do what you do becasue you are bored? am i doing this because i am bored? am i asking questions because i am bored. i mean i could announce a billion and ahalf questions and still have a billion and ahalf more. the point that every person on this earth fails to think about or pose a question 2. is at least my opinion. why cant it be both? why cant there be a god and still be no god. the most basic idea anyone should need or have. to say at the very least is that everyone is right yet everyone is wrong. being that weither or not a god is real or fake. who are you to say that he is or she w/e it. or that is. to be real or not? and next time someone uses a feeling to describe something so vast. and really out side the scope of human understanding in logical terms. ask ur self the question. what does ur opinion really matter? i myself believe god is either everything or he is nothing. he exsists or he doest. i choose to think he does. so there for by beliving something exsists there for it does. i.e.. dreams. luck. karma. gravity.love.being bored. not being bored the list goes on forever you can question everything in exsistance or you can make use of it.. u choose

webmdave said...

An atheist tired to set me up at work.

But then they found company property in his locker.

bye bye atheist.

webmdave said...

I guess the question I pose to any christian is would you use this type of thinking to solve your problems in real life and if so hows that working for you. If god is out side of everything and logic dosen't apply than what does apply because what that says to me if logic doesn't apply it has to be illogical. it can only be one or the other what other standered is there.

webmdave said...

I learned:
We served God best by serving each other

webmdave said...

I used to attend this church where it was preached to be in church every time the doors were open. Eneded up being every day and night including weekends. Guys would come home and head straight to church. If their families didn't come with them they left them home alone. Most ended up with their wives leaving them because they got tired of no husband at home or living at the church and raising their kids at the church all the time.

So much for building families.

webmdave said...

It is a human frailty to take something and work it to death, to over complicate it and eventually it becomes a problem. I believe that is what has happened to xtianity in the US. All of these so called know-it-all pastors, priests, evangelists and assorted brain-dead people have done exactly that, they have over complicated religion. They couldn't just be satisfied with the original BS of the bible so they have started all sorts of different ideas, churches and dogmas
to suit their own needs. The more involved it gets the harder it will be to accept.
I am soooo glad that I don't have to concern myself with that crap.

webmdave said...

1 Timothy 5:8. If anyone does not take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

I throw this in my step-dads face once in a while because he is a lousy provider. He is one of those "sacrifice yourself and family to server others" types.

webmdave said...

As we all know, xians often use phrases like "God moves in mysterious ways," or "God is too far above our understanding," or "We cannot know God's plan," etc. However, in the same breath they will tell us exactly what god thinks about this or that. How can you KNOW what god is thinking, but be unable to know WHY? That was one of the first discrepancies that led to me eventual de-conversion.

webmdave said...

"I learned:
We served God best by serving each other"

Is this a convincing argument? Absolutely not......serving god is the ignorant thing to do if you can not think critically and logically enough to see the truth.

webmdave said...

I remember when i was about 6 or 7 i asked my mom if she loved me more than god. she said it was a different kind of love. I knew that didnt sound right, but i was a small child, so i didnt really argue. But i have never forgotten that moment. Its really sad that people are brain washed to "love" an imaginary being more than a child they gave birth to

webmdave said...

Thanks everyone for your comments. I'd always thought that I was the only one who found this idea ridiculous. Glad to see I was wrong.

Christianity in of itself baffles me, but people who put an imaginary being over their loved ones puzzles me more. I will never understand why it is supposed to be "moral" to neglect anyone for a fairytale. I guess those emotional scars are supposed to be some sort of twisted badge of honor.

I'm glad I got out of the cult before it was too late.

webmdave said...

Thanks everyone for your comments. I'd always thought that I was the only one who found this idea ridiculous. Glad to see I was wrong.

Christianity in of itself baffles me, but people who put an imaginary being over their loved ones puzzles me more. I will never understand why it is supposed to be "moral" to neglect anyone for a fairytale. I guess those emotional scars are supposed to be some sort of twisted badge of honor.

I'm glad I got out of the cult before it was too late.

webmdave said...

TheAntiChristian:

Know how you feel man.

webmdave said...

I am so glad let me decide what to believe... Although they did take me to church and told me about God. Didn't understand it back then, and pretty much gave it up a year ago when i realised god never showed himself in any way. Started to read the bible and came here and saw the perversity of biblegod.

webmdave said...

That reminds me of a childhood memory I'll never forget (and I'm not going to mention how many DECADES ago that was!).

After first hearing that lovely buybull story (and being totally horrified) about Abraham ready and willing to sacrifice his child because "god told him to", I asked my parents if they would do that? Would they kill me if god told them to? In fact, for a while I asked everyone I knew/met if they would do that to their kids. I probably drove my parents, their friends, and aunts/uncles nuts for years....not to mention those poor unsuspecting folks in the grocery store. Yep, I'd go right up to them and ask them my million dollar question.

I was five years old.

I guess I was one of the lucky ones though....no one ever told me YES.

webmdave said...

I agree with you, Cousin Ricky, it is a good thing. The more they water it all down the harder it will be for them to push it and the less acceptable it will be to the educated. People will soon be scratching their heads wondering where these ideas come from.

webmdave said...

I laughed hysterically when I read your comment, TheAntiChristian!! That is totally true!! If these so-called X-tians are trying to re-convert us back to God, they are wasting their time!! BACK OFF, RELIGIOUS NUTS!! Well done!! :D

webmdave said...

Yeah, right. Like I never heard that one before. Not even in theory that makes any sense. In reality, I've never seen it work. I've seen a lot of well-meaning Christians trying to pretend that it does. But it doesn't.

Your statement feels as a cruel whipping on the backs of struggling Christians who feel that their God isn't there for them.

Of course, in reality, God isn't there for them because He doesn't exist, not because He is bad or anything. In order for God to be bad, He would have to EXIST first.

webmdave said...

Ironwill said: A king is a ruler a ruler is a leader....

whoa that is the best use of vocabulary I have seen an xtian fundie display for some time.

Lorena aptly showed how the above statement simplifies matters to the point of absurdity. Read many of the testimonials and you realise that many families use Lord's will to merely impose an authoriatrian sadistic method of obedience.

perhaps thats how they see their Lord anyhow.

webmdave said...

M-32,

You're a disingenuous, narcissistic twit looking for a bit of rough trade, and, AS YOU KNOW, you'll get slapped around plenty for using that pious tone and lying through your teeth on this site.
Enjoy.

(This is not an example of slagging off "...innocent christians", it's character assessment. Go suck on a relic.))

webmdave said...

mickie32

Most of you who have written bad things about God have no clue at all.

Oh really, and I'm sure you're a super-genius who will clue us in -- aren't ya?

It is not God that needs us to put Him first. It is us that needs to put Him first.

...and how the fu(k are you privy to this information, scooter?

If we do put Him first then He will answer prayers in a way that we have never witnessed before.

Yeah maintain that rationalization, skippy -- You sound more and more like a deluded christian dipsh*t, the more you babble on with your preposterous assertions.

Because as humans we are imperfect and need God in our lives to make us stronger.

Again, how are you privy to this information. Are you just pulling this out of your arse? Why would we believe in ANYTHING you vomit?

If you really think humans are so good look at the mess we have made of this world.

Silly fallible humans.

In the next world God will reign and all those who have chosen to follow Him.

Der -- run on sentence.

The notion that faith in Christ is to be rewarded by an eternity of bliss, while a dependence upon reason, observation, and experience merits everlasting pain, is too absurd for refutation, and can be believed only by that unhappy mixture of insanity and ignorance called 'faith.' -- Robert G. Ingersoll

If you do not chose to follow Him in this life then you are claiming that you do not want to be part of His family.

Uh -- that's your asinine evaluation, based solely on unsubstantiated bullsh*t. I can't make an educated choice in the matter because as of now, NO objective evidence has been provided to me for the existence of a personal god.

Just like you would follow your mother and father in this life you need to decide if you want to follow your father in Heaven.

My mother and father are REAL. I was able to make educated decisions on whether I should follow them or not, depending on their reliability. Thank goodness they were great parents and NOT abusive, neglectful parents -- they did a marvelous job of taking care of my sister and I. Now if the REALITY of the situation was opposite of that I might have chosen to rebel against them or segregate myself from them -- regardless I had reality based situations that I could actually base my decisions on, as opposed to your imaginary christian god that ONLY resides in the confines of your vacuous mind.

The best minds will tell you that when a man has begotten a child he is morally bound to tenderly care for it, protect it from hurt, shield it from disease, clothe it, feed it, bear with its waywardness, lay no hand upon it save in kindness and for its own good, and never in any case inflict upon it a wanton cruelty. God's treatment of his earthly children, every day and every night, is the exact opposite of all that, yet those best minds warmly justify these crimes, condone them, excuse them, and indignantly refuse to regard them as crimes at all, when he commits them. Your country and mine is an interesting one, but there is nothing there that is half so interesting as the human mind. -- Mark Twain

Is your cosmic father-in-the-sky so petty and insecure that his poor, precious, little feelings will be hurt if we don't choose him and believe in him -- so much so that he won't let you reside in the bliss of heaven and instead damn you to hell, to be tortured with flames for an eternity? You and your god-concept are twisted and screwed.

Face it zippy, we are NOT down with your infantile delusion.

Oh and I didn't realize that this site was a place to slag off innocent Christians.

Listen here, loony-tunes, either verify the existence of your god-concept with objective evidence or face the slagging -- you deer-in-the-headlight christian drone.

--S.

webmdave said...

Mickie32: "In the next world God will reign..."

What 'next world', Mickie? There is no evidence for life after death and no evidence for your god. When you die, that's the end of your Christianity.

"Oh and I didn't realise that this site was a place to slag off innocent Christians."

Ironic... "Stumbled-in" Christian visitors like yourself regularly try to tell us that no one is innocent. I do wish you Bible-botherers would make up your d*mn minds before you come tracking mud all over our carpets.

webmdave said...

Mickie32: "In the next world God will reign..."

What 'next world', Mickie? There is no evidence for life after death and no evidence for your god. When you die, that's the end of your Christianity.

"Oh and I didn't realise that this site was a place to slag off innocent Christians."

Ironic... "Stumbled-in" Christian visitors like yourself regularly try to tell us that no one is innocent. I do wish you Bible-botherers would make up your d*mn minds before you come tracking mud all over our carpets.