2/16/2009                                                                                       View Comments

Spare the rod, spoil the child...



Psalm 137:9


“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

2 Kings 2:23-24


23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. “Go on up, you baldhead!” they said. “Go on up, you baldhead!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Leviticus 20:9

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.

Numbers 31:15-19

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Proverbs 13:24


He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.--

Proverbs 22:15

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23:13-14


Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 30:17


The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.

Matthew 15:4


God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

This is only a taste of what can be found in the Christian holy book. Add your Bible verses to the list...

13 comments:

webmdave said...

ALL VERSES ARE EXCELLENT, THATS WHY YOU HAVE CHILDREN KILLING THERE PARENTS AND PROMISCUITY RULES, THANK YOU CHILDREN OF JAPETH....

webmdave said...

Yep, that's the "morality" of the Judeo-Christian religion, all right!

webmdave said...

Proverbs 30:17 is one of the worst and creepiest one's:

The eye that mocks his father, and scorns obedience to his mother, the ravens of the valley will pick it out, and the young eagles will eat it.

Deut. 27:16 'Cused is the one who treats his father or his mother with contempt.' And the people shall say, 'Amen!'

Oh you did Proverbs 30:17 sorry.

webmdave said...

I always wonder what would happen if the fundies put the same energy and passion into things like child abuse and ending world hunger instead of promoting hate against gays and fight against abortion rights. I've always believed in taking care of the children we've already got instead of fighting to bring more into the world. I was abused the majority of my childhood. The state tried to intervene but my parents tried harder to get me to lie. My parents one and the molesting and beatings continued. There has to be something better. Lucky for me, I turned out ok. But others aren't as lucky.

webmdave said...

Puts a new spin on that all loving god crap.

webmdave said...

I know that many fundies believe in corporal punishment and that may be a component of what this video is about, but it's far from all of it. Child abuse exists in all social strata and all religious traditions, including atheists. As father of two teens I can tell you that children learn how to push buttons. In our family we used timeouts and when that stopped working we used loss of privileges. I sometimes wondered if we were too lenient. They're both good kids, but there are always issues. Any parent that beats their child is only teaching them that might makes right. That wasn't a lesson we wanted to teach.

Steve

webmdave said...

One thing I find interesting about all the buy-bull verses for those that are supposed to be "under authority" is that there is no room to question authority. The buy-bull's main mantra is "OBEY! OBEY! OBEY!" Anyone that demands absolute unquestioning obedience is a tyrant, and tyranny is evil period. (Banning xtianity is just as wrong as forced xtianity.) No human is perfect, no matter how much they might "obey" the mythical spirit being of choice, and demanding unquestioning obedience to human rulers is nothing short of slavery. That's one of the concepts that really opened my eyes to the falsity of xtianity. The buy-bull itself reads like a cultic indoctrination manual: "obey authorities absolutely and hate, kill, and shun anyone that contrarily disagrees, unless they seem interested, especially hate those that leave the faith."

I think parents should be allowed to spank, not abuse obviously, but spank, as I believe in freedom of religion and spanking is part of the the xtian religion. I think it is a primitive practice that will fade as we learn better ways to raise our children. Personally, the problem I have with spanking is that it is simply a controlling force. I feel like it only communicates that "obey, obey, obey" mantra and I don't want my children to simply obey, not me or anyone else, especially not at the behest of force. Absolute skepticism is the guardian of liberty.

webmdave said...

Since I was an abused child, I understand--they are defenseless, innocent.dependent... They need us adults to be the most positive and safest place to come home to. They need encouragement, protection, love and safety.
This breaks my heart and always has. I have personally helped in every situation that I have
ever seen, but what about the ones I havent seen... .... Why? HOW? How could those precious ones be treated this way?How can we put a stop to this? We need to take care of our mental health and heal ourselves before having children.
I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO HELP END THIS ABUSE. PLEASE-IF YOU KNOW
OF OR SEE OR HEAR A CHILD BEING ABUSED- I PLEAD WITH YOU TO TAKE ACTION--GET THEM OUT OF THAT SITUATION. CALL
THE AUTHORITIES. PLEASE-BE THEIR VOICE. PLEASE DONT LOOK THE
OTHER WAY, OR THINK IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. CHILDREN ARE OUR
BUSINESS. AND IF THE PARENT OR SOMEONE IS NOT TREATING THEM
RIGHT- IT IS OUR BUSINESS TO PROTECT THEM. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU
THAT HAVE PROTECTED A CHILD---- THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.

webmdave said...

These verses are so creepy. It's amazing how we overlooked them as Christians.

webmdave said...

Those bible verses are disturbing. My Father used to quote some of them to me. Now, I have told my own son that the bible is false, and is not a guide for a healthy life. He is the best friend that i ever had, and I would never hurt him. From 2001 to 2004 i worked with the kids in the extended session at church. I never read bible vereses to them, or talked about religion, but just let them play. Some of the kids came from single parent families and treated me like i was their own father. I wish them all the best.

webmdave said...

i used to get my ass beat. kidz need that

webmdave said...

no they don't - good parents don't need to resort to violence, mine didn't.

webmdave said...

My parents didn't use corporal punishment either. I do not feel that I missed out on anything vital to My personal development.

In My opinion, physical abuse of children teaches them to crave power so that they can retaliate in kind. It does not teach them good citizenship, creativity, empathy or courage... It does, however, teach them that violence against weaker beings is permissible behaviour.