The Big 'O'

Here is a question for the Christians reading this:

What is the point of a woman's orgasm, and why would a dedicated Christian woman ever have them?

In Christian theology, it is understood that sex is only for procreation, and any other uses of the sexual function is rooted in lust and hedonism. To propagate the race the man must ejaculate his seed deep into the woman' s body, therefore it is imperative that the man have an orgasm, as this is how it works. However, the woman need not experience such a base lust-filled feeling at all. True she must endure the distastful prospect of having an aroused lusty nude man penetrating her womanhood with his blood engorged erect stiff member. She may even have to tolerate his semen filled testicles as they slap somewhat violently against her sensitive anal tissue. Her vagina needs to open wide and be well lubricated in order to limit the damage to it by the onslaught of impassioned deep thrusts as the man endeavors to reach climax, and finally fills her vagina and uterus with his load of life giving sperm.

We all know this is how people are made. But there is absolutely no reason for the woman to enjoy any of it. She must submit to her husband as the good book says, of course. We need to continue the race until the Second Coming of Christ, after all. But, are base lustful waves of orgasm something a Christian woman should seek?

Since there is no real procreative reason for woman to orgasm, other than for the sake of pleasure, then I would suggest that Christian women who have orgasms are sinning.

Hedonism is the pursuit of pleasure for its own sake. Masturbation is a sin, because it is not the proper use of the sexual function for procreation, it is seeking to feel good by climaxing. So, it stands to reason that having an orgasm, when unnecessary, is nothing more than a fancy form of masturbation.

Let's look at it another way.

In order for most women to have an orgasm, they or their partner must basically masturbate the clitoris to bring the woman to climax. Very few women can have an orgasm from the simple thrusting of a rock hard penis into their vagina. A considerable amount of thought and creative stimulation is needed for the majority of women to arrive at the point orgasmic euphoria.

So, since stroking my erect penis to climax is considered "Onanism", or perhaps pure hedonistic sin, then it can be argued by using the same logic, that touching or stimulating a clitoris just to achieve base lustful pleasure is likewise unadulterated hedonistic sin seeking.

Enjoying sexual pleasure merely for the end result of having an orgasm is the lust of the flesh and hedonism. It is also fun. It definitely feels great. It relieves tension and stress. It occupies so much of human thought, art and music. Yet to a Chrisitan it is merely empty worldly pleasure?

What do you think?`


howieduerr said...

if your pre-supposition that Sex is purely for procreative reasons were true. Then I would have to agree with your conclusions. The problem is, you are about 800 years too late. That is a medieval Catholic theological belief. NOt a modern doctrine of the Christian Church. If you had a pastor or professor tell you otherwise at sometime as you grew up, I am sorry that they screwed up there...But the simple fact is, that God created Sex for both partners to enjoy. Sex is a beautiful act, one of the highest created acts God gave to a man and a woman. It is a physical representation of the intimacy in the relationship Which God has with us as his bride. So I am sorry if you were misled into thinking that having an orgasm was wrong, but it's not. If you want to talk, e-mail me at

webmdave said...

Howie, I completely agree with you.

However, for nearly two millennia, Christianity has taught it differently. In fact, only in the last couple of generations has the idea that having a "Big O" is A-O-K.

Read your history -- either Christianity was wrong for a couple of thousand years, or it's changed. And if it's changed, why was it wrong to begin with?

Anonymous said...

There are (at least) 2 flaws in your post :
1) the Bible doesn't view sex as being solely for procreation. You might want to read "song of songs" to see how Solomon sees it.
Jacob loved Rachel more than Lea, yet Rachel was originally barren. If sex had only be for procreation, he should have stayed away from her as soon as he knew she was barren...
2) woman's orgasm is NOT useless. Latest research indicate that it coincide with a sucking by the uterus of what my be available in the vagina, in other words it directly serves in bringing sperm and egg together.

Incidently a common mistake is being made about onanism. The sin of Onan wasn't to masturbate, but to chose not to give a posterity to his brother's wife on behalf of his brother ( as was the custom back then ).

Shannon said...

I am not an expert just really opinionated.

Whether or not the bible says that all sex not used for procreation is fortification is irrelevant because people have blatantly used the bible for centuries against all forms of pleasure seeking sex to include within the confines of marriages. Even today, I would think you’d be hard press to find a Christian sex therapist promoting roll playing exercises: “OK. You play Joseph and you play Mary.”

Again I’m also leaning that there hasn’t been many sermons on the “Virtues of Solomon and His Slue of Sensual Sluts.”

I still contend that the female orgasm is useless in the sense that it unnecessary for the propagation of our species. Come on, we all know women can get pregnant from a rape and without the benefit of an orgasm. And yes, recent research has shown that during an orgasm the uterus will contract forcing the cervix to dip towards the backside of the upper vagina but this is only beneficial if sperm is already present. I don’t know about you but my experiences have shown that the female orgasm needs to come first because the sex act pretty much ends after the male orgasm. So, the function uterine contraction is backwards; it doesn’t do any good if there is no sperm present.

If anyone takes the time to do any research on the history of sex, you would see the even on European/American naturalistic view of sex was negative. 150 years ago the medical community believed that men had a reserved amount of sperm. To frivolously spend it would ruin a man’s chances of having children. There were doctors in England during the 1800s that believed that sex was so unhealthy that it drained your life force and it should not be preformed more than twice a year. There were contraptions developed for young boys to wear during the night to prevent nocturnal erections and ejaculations.

Read about Dr. John Harvey Kellogg. He was a zealous campaigner against all forms of sex. He recommended extreme methods. In his Treatment for Self-Abuse and its Effects he wrote: A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. (

And how about the Comstock Laws, hmmm?

Once again while onanism might not be about masturbation, it sure seems that the Anti-Hairy Palm Brigade doesn’t have any problem using it to make every 13-year-old boy (girl) feel guilt and shame.

The concept of sex between to consenting adults being no ones business but the two (or three) involved is a very new idea and it still conflicts with the prevailing use of the bible.

Anonymous said...

I believe the Christian church completely overlooks female sexuality and many young married couples neglect the basic sexual needs of women. However, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that women have sex drive and the Bible also talks about BOTH men and women being equally submissive. Although this is not even meant in a sexual sense, submissiveness also means placing the needs of your spouse over you own: selflessness. I am confident my future husband will learn how andwant to learn how to making his wife sexually satisfied.

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