Religion is Mental Illness
A delusion is defined as a false personal belief based on incorrect inference about external reality and firmly sustained despite of what everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary (DSM-IV, p. 765).
Annotations to Spurzheim's Observations on Insanity:
Most people's religion is what they want to believe, not what they do believe. And very few of them stop to examine its foundations."
Texas mother over the edge because of cult! - Interestingly enough, this is a Christian View.
Glen Milstein , doctoral student from Teacher's College, Columbia University says that Religious faith effects the way you view the mental illness of a relative. To declare that a relative is incurable is a direct challenge to religious faith when it comes to mental illness.
Philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote:
"'Religion is based . . . mainly upon fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand . . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.'"
Christianity Causes Insanity !!??!!
Did I get your attention? I have been doing some personal research to determine if there are any reputable studies available documenting a verifiable link between a belief in Christianity and mental illness. This article is my resulting conclusions and rant on the subject.
I have more than a jaded interest in this topic. Someone very close to me is suffering from severe mental illness and has been for most, if not all of his life. He is now in his 70s and the symptoms of his debilitation are more apparent than they were some 20 years ago when I first met him. Sometime in the early 1960s he felt the call of GOD on his life and became part of the Operation Mobilization missionary organization based in Belgium. He quit his job, packed up his wife and five small children and became a fully committed servant of the Lord using his ability as an automobile mechanic to keep the missionary wheels in Europe rolling.
Interested in raising his family in the fear and admonition of the Lord, he would insist on having daily family devotions which would often last two to three hours. He required his children to memorize whole chapters of the Bible at a time. If they failed to perform as instructed, the kids could expect severe chastisement in the form of screaming tirades with threats of hell and eternal retribution at the hands of an angry God. These "lectures" could go on for hours. He refrained from open physical abuse, but would deny meals as a regular incentive toward "holiness".
He believes that GOD speaks to him in an audible voice. He is convinced that when he needs help with mundane chore that GOD himself intervenes in a similar way as the saints of the Old Testament testify. For instance, once he was faced with some plumbing problems. He had no funds to hire a repairman and lacked the proper knowledge to fix his kitchen sink. He prayed to "Jesus" and was promptly answered by a disembodied voice who stated emphatically, "I AM A PLUMBER." Once he heard that, he was able to fix the leaking sink. He relates other experiences along the same line, which he claims assist him on a regular basis. He also believes his theological understanding is superior to most other people's because of his special relationship with his creator.
He was asked to leave Operation Mobilization after several years of working there. His ability to maintain positive relationships was and is extremely limited. The seemingly slightest provocation could and still can send him into a violent tirade. If the argument he had was with a man, it would be nothing for him to throw the man up against a wall and threaten to kill him. The argument could be about anything, especially religion. Although he would eventually "repent" for his behavior, another episode would follow shortly. The pattern was never broken, so he would be asked to leave one Christian organization or church after another as the years progressed.
Once his children grew up and left home, he would stalk them, trying to find out if they were sinning against GOD in any way. If he found them doing something he believed was inappropriate, he would barge into their place of employment sometime after the observed behavior and make a terrible scene, exclaiming emotionally that GOD was going to splatter their blood all over the wall in his wrath if they did not immediately repent.
Eventually all the Children moved far away. From then on his wife had to endure the full energy of his idiosyncrasies. Recently one of his daughters visited him at his home for the first time in 22 years. She is 43. It went well at first, but while at dinner in a restaurant, he began eating off of her plate, licking her food, hitting her with gospel tracts and then began yelling and screaming in anger for all the patrons to witness.
The poor man is just plain mentally ill. He never did act exactly normal, but now as early stages of senility are becoming apparent, the strange behavior is simply more pronounced.
This is my interest and motivation for exploring the topic at hand.
Regardless of the quotes and story above, I found no verifiable correlation between religious faith and mental illness. What I found was that mental illness is just like any other illness that affects people's lives. Mental illness is somewhat hard to define, because in some ways, all human beings are subject to delusions and fantasies. This is not really a bad thing. Each of us can attest to having wildly vivid and impossible dreams from time to time in our sleep. During the dream, we are sure of the reality of the experience. It is only on waking that the fantasy is dispelled. It is our capacity to imagine things that do not exist that has made modern medicine, technology and our fledgling space program possible. Imagination is the cousin to insanity and the line between the two is often thin.
From what I have been able to discover, such things as having a bad heart, being allergic to cats, being diagnosed with prostate cancer or any other of the untold host of diseases available on earth are no different than having most mental disorders. Diseases or weakness of mind is something people randomly experience, and predicting who will be afflicted is an undeveloped science.
While it may not be a truism that religion drives people mad, it is a truism that religion does not cure madness, any more than it cures lung cancer, heart disease, or poor eyesight. In many ways religion may help restrain some erratic behavior, but in others it probably exacerbates aberrations.
I have done what I can to help my friend overcome a lifetime of mental abuse, cloaked in a shroud of "Christianity." It has taken my friend years to overcome the emotional scars begun in childhood and continued into adulthood. This friend has also completely left behind Christianity. My friend finally realizes that Christianity and religion really had nothing to do with her father's odd behavior. He was and is simply "not right." Accepting this fact has been the greatest of healing. Accepting this fact has also tolled the final death knell to her "faith". Realizing that her father was mentally ill all those years with neither the "Church" or the "Holy Spirit" being able to cure him or even properly diagnose him has culminated with her present state as an "ex-Christian".
There is simply no reality to the reported blessings of Christianity.
To conclude, I offer this quote from The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill :
Annotations to Spurzheim's Observations on Insanity:
Religion is another fertile cause of insanity. Mr. Haslam, though he declares it sinful to consider religion as a cause of insanity, adds, however, that he would be ungrateful, did he not avow his obligation to Methodism for its supply of numerous cases. Hence the primitive feelings of religion may be misled and produce insanity; that is what I would contend for, and in that sense religion often leads to insanity.
Most people's religion is what they want to believe, not what they do believe. And very few of them stop to examine its foundations."
Texas mother over the edge because of cult! - Interestingly enough, this is a Christian View.
Glen Milstein , doctoral student from Teacher's College, Columbia University says that Religious faith effects the way you view the mental illness of a relative. To declare that a relative is incurable is a direct challenge to religious faith when it comes to mental illness.
Philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote:
"'Religion is based . . . mainly upon fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand . . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.'"
Christianity Causes Insanity !!??!!
Did I get your attention? I have been doing some personal research to determine if there are any reputable studies available documenting a verifiable link between a belief in Christianity and mental illness. This article is my resulting conclusions and rant on the subject.
I have more than a jaded interest in this topic. Someone very close to me is suffering from severe mental illness and has been for most, if not all of his life. He is now in his 70s and the symptoms of his debilitation are more apparent than they were some 20 years ago when I first met him. Sometime in the early 1960s he felt the call of GOD on his life and became part of the Operation Mobilization missionary organization based in Belgium. He quit his job, packed up his wife and five small children and became a fully committed servant of the Lord using his ability as an automobile mechanic to keep the missionary wheels in Europe rolling.
Interested in raising his family in the fear and admonition of the Lord, he would insist on having daily family devotions which would often last two to three hours. He required his children to memorize whole chapters of the Bible at a time. If they failed to perform as instructed, the kids could expect severe chastisement in the form of screaming tirades with threats of hell and eternal retribution at the hands of an angry God. These "lectures" could go on for hours. He refrained from open physical abuse, but would deny meals as a regular incentive toward "holiness".
He believes that GOD speaks to him in an audible voice. He is convinced that when he needs help with mundane chore that GOD himself intervenes in a similar way as the saints of the Old Testament testify. For instance, once he was faced with some plumbing problems. He had no funds to hire a repairman and lacked the proper knowledge to fix his kitchen sink. He prayed to "Jesus" and was promptly answered by a disembodied voice who stated emphatically, "I AM A PLUMBER." Once he heard that, he was able to fix the leaking sink. He relates other experiences along the same line, which he claims assist him on a regular basis. He also believes his theological understanding is superior to most other people's because of his special relationship with his creator.
He was asked to leave Operation Mobilization after several years of working there. His ability to maintain positive relationships was and is extremely limited. The seemingly slightest provocation could and still can send him into a violent tirade. If the argument he had was with a man, it would be nothing for him to throw the man up against a wall and threaten to kill him. The argument could be about anything, especially religion. Although he would eventually "repent" for his behavior, another episode would follow shortly. The pattern was never broken, so he would be asked to leave one Christian organization or church after another as the years progressed.
Once his children grew up and left home, he would stalk them, trying to find out if they were sinning against GOD in any way. If he found them doing something he believed was inappropriate, he would barge into their place of employment sometime after the observed behavior and make a terrible scene, exclaiming emotionally that GOD was going to splatter their blood all over the wall in his wrath if they did not immediately repent.
Eventually all the Children moved far away. From then on his wife had to endure the full energy of his idiosyncrasies. Recently one of his daughters visited him at his home for the first time in 22 years. She is 43. It went well at first, but while at dinner in a restaurant, he began eating off of her plate, licking her food, hitting her with gospel tracts and then began yelling and screaming in anger for all the patrons to witness.
The poor man is just plain mentally ill. He never did act exactly normal, but now as early stages of senility are becoming apparent, the strange behavior is simply more pronounced.
This is my interest and motivation for exploring the topic at hand.
Regardless of the quotes and story above, I found no verifiable correlation between religious faith and mental illness. What I found was that mental illness is just like any other illness that affects people's lives. Mental illness is somewhat hard to define, because in some ways, all human beings are subject to delusions and fantasies. This is not really a bad thing. Each of us can attest to having wildly vivid and impossible dreams from time to time in our sleep. During the dream, we are sure of the reality of the experience. It is only on waking that the fantasy is dispelled. It is our capacity to imagine things that do not exist that has made modern medicine, technology and our fledgling space program possible. Imagination is the cousin to insanity and the line between the two is often thin.
From what I have been able to discover, such things as having a bad heart, being allergic to cats, being diagnosed with prostate cancer or any other of the untold host of diseases available on earth are no different than having most mental disorders. Diseases or weakness of mind is something people randomly experience, and predicting who will be afflicted is an undeveloped science.
While it may not be a truism that religion drives people mad, it is a truism that religion does not cure madness, any more than it cures lung cancer, heart disease, or poor eyesight. In many ways religion may help restrain some erratic behavior, but in others it probably exacerbates aberrations.
I have done what I can to help my friend overcome a lifetime of mental abuse, cloaked in a shroud of "Christianity." It has taken my friend years to overcome the emotional scars begun in childhood and continued into adulthood. This friend has also completely left behind Christianity. My friend finally realizes that Christianity and religion really had nothing to do with her father's odd behavior. He was and is simply "not right." Accepting this fact has been the greatest of healing. Accepting this fact has also tolled the final death knell to her "faith". Realizing that her father was mentally ill all those years with neither the "Church" or the "Holy Spirit" being able to cure him or even properly diagnose him has culminated with her present state as an "ex-Christian".
There is simply no reality to the reported blessings of Christianity.
To conclude, I offer this quote from The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill :
Mental illnesses are disorders of the brain that disrupt a person's thinking, feeling, moods, and ability to relate to others. Just as diabetes is a disorder of the pancreas, mental illnesses are disorders of the brain that often result in a diminished capacity for coping with the ordinary demands of life.
Mental illnesses do not discriminate; they affect people of every age, gender, race, religion, or socioeconomic status. Mental illnesses are not the result of personal weakness, lack of character, or poor upbringing. In the United States, over seven million adults and over five million children and adolescents suffer from a serious, chronic brain disorder. These illnesses have a great impact on society. Four of the top ten leading causes of disability are mental illnesses including major depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and obsessive compulsive disorder, and the estimated cost of mental health care is over $150 billion per year. But far more important is the effect untreated mental illness has on the lives of individuals and their loved ones.
These brain disorders are treatable. As a person with diabetes, takes insulin, most people with serious mental illness need medication to help control symptoms. Supportive counseling, self-help groups, housing, vocational rehabilitation, income assistance and other community services can also provide support and stability, contributing to recovery.
Comments
the bible, i believe in proverbs, it says, 'it is not good to be over-righteous, why destroy yourelf, it is not good to be overly-wicked, why die before your time'.
also, in peter, he writes, 'Paul writes things that are hard to understand that ignorant and unstable people distort to their destruction'.
Schizophrenics create their own religion/fantasy world to live in. The only difference between religious people and schizophrenics is that religious people share the same delusions and schizophrenics have original delusions. Schizophrenics are just more original and creative than religious people but not any less in touch with reality than the relgious delusionals. They are both living in another reality. It is the same disorder in thinking. No reality testing. No critical thinking. Belief without reason.
Whilst the article (and the posts) are correct in the most part, we cannot discount certain ideals just because we cannot quantify them at this time. Don't get me wrong: Religionism in all its forms irritates the crap out of me. I do, however, feel that there is something or somewhere to head off to after we pop our clogs. Logically speaking, it would be a waste to learn all of Life's lessons if it were for naught at the end.
I guess what I want to say is that we should have some mystery to Life without taking it all too seriously. If there is, there is; if there isn't, there isn't. But we must guard against Cynicism, and not discount something just because we cannot shoehorn it into a test tube.
A. F.
It's just too bad that religion is such a socially acceptable mental illness!
I'm an "ex" who called myself Christian for 15 years. I was looking for something magic and other-worldly to make my life more interesting, for lack of any better explanation. This was at the height of the "Satanic Panic" that was going on. We had one guy where I worked who dabbled with auras and spells. He wasn't well-liked. One of the ladies in our group started getting sick. It popped into my head that the guy was "hexing" her, so I joined a local Pentecostal church and told them about it. They got really into it, falling on the floor, speaking in tongues, etc. They called me every day after work to find out what was going on, and by chance, the guy happened to leave and move on to a better-paying job. The woman went on some medication and started feeling better. But of course, the holy rollers in this church thought it was divine intervention, and I was suggestible and believed it too.
Now, there are certainly some places where you can tell a story like that and they'll be skeptical. But if I'd gone to President Bush, for example, with that story, he'd probably have encouraged me. That's scary! That people with significant influence can give total approval to what would otherwise be perceived as delusion! But it's all too common. Where's the line between "fringe" cases and stuff that goes on every day, with no one batting an eyelash?
BTW, what got me out of Christianity once and for all was the realization that nothing good (other than becoming a mom) happened to me during those 15 years, because I had sat passively by, waiting for "God" to give me blessings. I abdicated responsibility for anything in my life, and finally saw what kind of price I was paying for that. The withdrawal wasn't "cold turkey." it took place over a few years. But now I proudly call myself a Humanist. I attend a Unitarian-Universalist church, where I am surrounded by people who worship only reason. Outside the church, however, I have relatives and co-workers who are still wrapped up in this weird fairy tale, and I really feel sorry for them. What a world we live in.
a) what everyone else says, and
b) is proven to be false
Well,
a) A third of the world self-defines as Christian, many more as theists, and
b) It is impossible to PROVE that God does not exist.
Come on, at least TRY.......
Before you are logically deconstructed and told that the default analytic position in conjecture is un-proof, and that the "burden-of-proof" is "always" held by the individual conjecturing a propositional conclusion - let me suggest that many are not swayed by the bandwagon effect either.
A democratic voting process, promises to maximize voter representation, not truth – come on, are you serious?
Peace
D8
You do not have to believe in "what'sisname", to show caring and compassion for your fellow Earth Dweller. It's a big failing of the Bible Basher's to assume you have to be religious to carry out works of charity, ie:, Hello Sir, I understand you are starving , well what I need you to do, is to bind and gag your son and put him on this fire over here, to prove that you love me......statistics prove that you will die anyway, but I need to know you love me". My serious point is though Donnie, please feel free, to show me in which second, of which hour, of which day, of which year, in the last 2010 years....has your god, intervened just once, to save the lives of anyone. To send a verifiable messenger, who has come to give us, caring, advice, direction, or to help us understand global warming, serious illness, religious intolerance, understanding on why in any nation on the planet that 5% of the people, own 95% of the wealth.....that includes religious ones as well as psychotic dictators.
Where is your god Donnie?, where are the Angels when little children are abducted from their parents love, taken away, raped and then left like carcasses of pigs after he has had his way.........the parents, never, ever, Donnie.......never, for the rest of their lives, get over it. Their guts are ripped out forever Donnie. And you assholes, talk about a bloke on a cross........HE HAD A CHOICE DONNIE, LITTLE KIDDIES DON'T!!!,And don't try that "Man has free will, bullshit" The perpetrators do................but the INNOCENT DON'T.
If you god cares for us.........where was he in the HOLOCAUSTS (Russian, Chinese, Jewish, African, Eastern European) of the 20th century.........no burning bushes, no angels, no doves, no voices from the sky, just absence and silence...........doesn't that tell you something Donnie?, like it's total bullshit, total, dangerously, unfunny, empty bullshit, BECAUSE GOD DOESN'T EXIST.....IT'S A FAIRY STORY.
Greater shall they become that useth Spellcheck.
12th Commandment.
When glorifying thy father in thine own head, don't talk bollocks, it pisses other people off.
13th Commandment.
April fooooooooooooooool.
"Jesus wants me for a sunbeam".....but he didn't say that a sunbeam was a light diffraction through our upper atmosphere, that can also be bent by the suns own magnetic field, to be in two places at once, (see Einstein, not Isiah......he knew sod all).
Okay! (chalks Her hands, because She just *knows* she's going to need the Clue-By-Four™ with this one...)
"I love in a way that no one can..."
*BOP* Unsupported assertion, and attempted mindreading. You are deluded if you think you know other individuals' capacity for love.
"i don't care about anything that is done... i am willing to sacrifice everything, even my own life in order to get the message that God tells me out."
*BONK* Diagnosis: You are deluded into thinking you're talking to someone other that yourself. We here at EX-Christian dot net do not give a rat's @ss about what you think you hear in your head. Your personal experiences are of no use to us. We will accept *only* empirical evidence for the existence of gods.
"So if religion is a mental illness, then so is emotion, and everyone in life is crazy and insane, which makes us all sane, and makes anyone who begs to argue with me an idiot..."
*THWACK* *THUMP* *BASH*(
Donnie, you are mentally ill *and* brainwashed* and a complete and utter @sshole. You are the very epitome of something we do not want to become.
May you lose your faith and never regain it.
What's with all the stumbling? Pick up your feet, people!
"...I guess the question we SHOULD be asking, instead of 'Christianity is mental illness', should be: why do the two often happen together?"
I suspect it has a lot to do with being told one is a worthless turd who deserves eternal torture at the hands of a loving god.
Schizophrenics create their own religion/fantasy world to live in. The only difference between religious people and schizophrenics is that religious people share the same delusions and schizophrenics have original delusions. Schizophrenics are just more original and creative than religious people but not any less in touch with reality than the relgious delusionals. They are both living in another reality. It is the same disorder in thinking. No reality testing. No critical thinking. Belief without reason.
Yea my point exactly.
Is this what you call not being influenced? I thank my Lord that he has brainwashed me then. To live a life with such evil pouring out of your mouth(keyboard), I most definintly choose not!
It's just too bad that religion is such a socially acceptable mental illness!
I'm an "ex" who called myself Christian for 15 years. I was looking for something magic and other-worldly to make my life more interesting, for lack of any better explanation. This was at the height of the "Satanic Panic" that was going on. We had one guy where I worked who dabbled with auras and spells. He wasn't well-liked. One of the ladies in our group started getting sick. It popped into my head that the guy was "hexing" her, so I joined a local Pentecostal church and told them about it. They got really into it, falling on the floor, speaking in tongues, etc. They called me every day after work to find out what was going on, and by chance, the guy happened to leave and move on to a better-paying job. The woman went on some medication and started feeling better. But of course, the holy rollers in this church thought it was divine intervention, and I was suggestible and believed it too.
Now, there are certainly some places where you can tell a story like that and they'll be skeptical. But if I'd gone to President Bush, for example, with that story, he'd probably have encouraged me. That's scary! That people with significant influence can give total approval to what would otherwise be perceived as delusion! But it's all too common. Where's the line between "fringe" cases and stuff that goes on every day, with no one batting an eyelash?
BTW, what got me out of Christianity once and for all was the realization that nothing good (other than becoming a mom) happened to me during those 15 years, because I had sat passively by, waiting for "God" to give me blessings. I abdicated responsibility for anything in my life, and finally saw what kind of price I was paying for that. The withdrawal wasn't "cold turkey." it took place over a few years. But now I proudly call myself a Humanist. I attend a Unitarian-Universalist church, where I am surrounded by people who worship only reason. Outside the church, however, I have relatives and co-workers who are still wrapped up in this weird fairy tale, and I really feel sorry for them. What a world we live in.
"I love in a way that no one can, i don't care about anything that is done, i love every person unconditionally..."
Versus:
"...if you dumb stupid apes are to blind and stupid to see this, then i don't know how to help any of you."
'Nuff said.
"I love in a way that no one can, i don't care about anything that is done, i love every person unconditionally..."
Versus:
"...if you dumb stupid apes are to blind and stupid to see this, then i don't know how to help any of you."
'Nuff said.
if you all have questions or comments you can find me at: www.myspace.com/tobias115
Donnie Max Hernandez Jr.
ummm.....which god that you're talking about there, Donnie?
"Well fuck you all..."
Oh can you feel the love!?!?
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