9/20/2006                                                                                       View Comments

Digital Freethought, Atheism #4

15 comments:

Marion said...

This would be better if it didn't feel so sludged and hurried. To the makers: don't try to jam six questions in six minutes. Space it out.
But good try.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Marion. Nicely done but way too fast. Slow it down, let the information presented digest.

Tim Simmons said...

yeah, not everyone has that creative saavy (uh, like me hehehehheheh) to understand pacing and that empty space is not wasted space but needed to let it breathe a little. Right off the bat it felt home-grown to me. But, had good arguments in it.

tim

Anonymous said...

You guys don't understand.. all your points on God's reason was your own opinion.. do you think God is going to act on what you think should or shouldn't be done? Evolution is a Theory. God has made himself known through creation.. you poor people are just blind. Just try this simple equation:

1.Something now exists.
2.No-thing does not produce something, then...
3.Some-thing must have always existed.

The bible is full of scientific accuracy, that no man at that time could of possibly have known. Not to mention 800 prophecies.. and the 300+ prophecies of Jesus Christ. I hope you people open your eyes and let God in your life.. nothing makes him more angry when his evidence is all around us and yet people deny his excistence.

twincats said...

Perhaps the producer felt that if he got the point across quickly, it would work better for those with a short attention span? (no, I'm not implying the Christian faithful, since we all know most of 'em can sit thru long sermons...)

And how about a credit for the anyonymous female narrator? (or did I miss it? I looked for it...)

Shannon said...

Anony (9/21/2006 7:00 PM)

The unwritten #4 - See, therefore my god did it all.

.:webmaster:. said...

1.Something now exists.
2.No-thing does not produce something, then...
3.Some-thing must have always existed.

As these three statements stand, I have no problem with them.

I don't see why having a self-existent universe is a problem for anyone. To suggest that there is a magical deity who is self-existent is to admit to the possibility, or even necessity, of the existence of self-existence.

Confused?

Well, to say that the universe could not be self-existent, but that a god could be self-existent is, well, contradictory. To add in that the the complexity of the universe is somehow proof that it can't be self-existent, while putting forth an impossibly complex god, who supposedly is self-existent, is even more contradictory.

Christians don't seem to understand that they can't have it both ways. Either it is impossible for something to be self-existent, or it is possible, and in fact, normal.

Since I assume we can all agree that there is a universe — a universe we can test with our senses and other tools — and we can also agree that there is no testable evidence for a god, the clearest and most concise conclusion to make is that the universe is simply self-existent.

Admittedly, the universe being self-existent is a difficult concept to grasp. Yet, Christians have no problem simply accepting without question the concept of an invisible, untestable, and supposedly incomprehensible deity.

Consider these quotes:

1: "You can never understand God. You must just accept that He exists on faith. Doubting God could be detrimental to your eternal soul. (You must also have faith in the concept of a soul.) Don't worry, all will be revealed after death in heaven."

2: "It is difficult to comprehend that the universe is self-existent, but that's where our present evidence seems to point. Let us continue to explore our natural universe to better understand how it all works. As we discover more, we can adjust to our findings."

Which of those two quotes seems most likely to be the one that will lead us to the truth?

J. C. Samuelson said...

Ok, tonight I'm a bit peeved...

"The bible is full of scientific accuracy, that no man at that time could of possibly have known."

The Bible is full of scientific accuracy inasmuch as modern man has found alternate and unconvincing interpretations of Hebrew words to make the Bible fit explanations offered by modern science. In other words, it's full of myths written in a language modern man has reinterpreted for his own purposes.

"Not to mention 800 prophecies.. and the 300+ prophecies of Jesus Christ."

Aren't prophecies great? Work hard enough, and you can probably find a prophecy that describes your own birth. Funny how the Jews don't seem to think their holy text predicts the existence of the main character in your holy book. But I guess you know The Truth™, don't you?

"...nothing makes him more angry when his evidence is all around us and yet people deny his excistence."

Oh, I know! In fact, I plan to take the same attitude with my daughter starting tomorrow. If she ever disbelieves what I say, or gets so mad she disowns me, I'm going to lock her up and torture her for as long as either of us lives. Of course, that won't come close to what God has in store for the crime of disbelief, does it? After all, he plans to torture us unbelievers for eternity, not just a lifetime.

Your god is no more worthy of worship than an ashtray, and less useful. But then, since it doesn't exist it doesn't matter.

boomSLANG said...

Fundonymous said: "You guys don't understand.. all your points on God's reason was your own opinion.. do you think God is going to act on what you think should or shouldn't be done?"

What God?

"Evolution is a Theory."

....AND it's a fact. Creationism is neither. Abra cadabra! LMAO!

"God has made himself known through creation.."

SuperGod made Herself known through creating Baby Yahweh.

"The bible is full of scientific accuracy, that no man at that time could of possibly have known."

Flat earth? Geocentric earth? Immovable earth? Firmament? Camp ground in a whale's tummy? Talking vegetation? 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ? Oooo..I'm feeling smarter already! LMAO!

"Not to mention 800 prophecies.. and the 300+ prophecies of Jesus Christ."

'Hear-ye, hear-ye...One day you shalt fight thine enemies.'

(arbitrary amount of years pass)

SEE!!!!I told you!...I'm a prophet! LMAO!

"I hope you people open your eyes and let God in your life.."

I hope you people close your bibles and let reality in your life..

"..nothing makes him more angry when his evidence is all around us and yet people deny his excistence."

Yes!..Shazam HATES that!...don't deny his "excistence", or he'll make you ride around in his country camper for eternity! lol!

xrayman said...

I thought that was awesome. It was short and sweet, and yes I do have a very short attention span. I love the quote from Julia Sweeny.

Boomslang..........I am laughing my ass off, even know I think that post you heckled so brilliantly was planted by one of us. I remember I had a patient try to witness me while I was taking his xrays. He stated to me that the Bible was scientifically proven to be true. I just let that one go.

boomSLANG said...

That's sometimes a problem around here, Xrayman---I can't tell if it's one us being a smart-ass, or one of them being a dumb-ass. Nonetheless---'glad you got a laugh out of it = )

Elder Norm said...

Hmmm. I would just like to ask the following question. The fundies all seem to think that the non-fundies are going to hell. We are bad.

So why do they care? Mass murders occur all over the world yet no one cries out, especially the fundies. So why constantly bug the non-fundies to get us to convert????

I am sure it is something to do with convincing themselves that they are right. Or some such. Me, I just feel sorry for them. Talk to me, fine. Preach to me the junk you chose to believe with out thinking is just plain rude. :-)

Elder Norm
www.aro-religion.org

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how to download these videos into a computer as a file, not part of a webpage?

Anonymous said...

This comment is in argument with the fourth person in the list that made a comment about the clip, the Christian one that had a three step equation.

First of all, if you're so secure in your beliefs, then why did you come to an ex Christian site to try to enforce your beliefs onto people that made this site only to get away from them?
Secondly, that equation made no sense at all! How could you for one second assume, and state your assumption as fact, that something had to exist to begin the entire existence of everything? Where you there at the time of the birth of humanity, or the universe for that matter? Now I’m not saying that what you are saying isn't possible, just that if you are going to come to a site where the people are open minded to several different possibilities, don't state your beliefs as facts that are to be know by all, that's just the kind of thing that these people don't like, and the reason they made this site to begin with!
Third, of course many prophecies are going to come true after thousands and thousands of years. I bet that if I were to say right now, "In the next couple of thousands of years there will be a great depression!!" or something along those lines, well one thousand years is a long time!
Last but not least, don't try to argue against the guy that just stated all of those things that suggest that your belief system is inaccurate, until you have enough explanations to fill every single hole in your bible that were presented by this mans argument.

anonoymous said...

the thought that people came from mokeys is compleatly incorrect. the thought is that people and monkeys came from a common ancistor. also for the 12th person...the fourth persons "equation" does make sence, but in a way it disproves itself as a religious "equation". isnt the thought that some form of god created everything? thus saying something existed, but that way it is stated makes it sound like everything has been how it is now, which if i know enough about common religious beliefs, disproves the so called equation. something must have always existed, but most peoples question is what.
no one man truely 'knows' what is true about the beliefe or disbeliefe of god. but at the same time we all 'know' that what we believe is correct. i just wish that one day people could have compleate tolerence of other people and let others be at peace with themselves unlike the numbnut equation person.
there will never be a time where people can prove what they believe is true, they can just believe it untill the day that they die.