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I gotta say - as horrible, gruesome as this case really is - I had to sort of laugh, if only wryly.If you are a Christian, and a Fox guy is telling you you are a soulless monster, you sure as fuck know you´re doing something right.Holy crap. As mean as she is to others, imagine what it must be like to BE that bitch. Or be one of her kids.It almost makes me wish that a Hell does exist... just so I can rest assured Freddy Phelps gets his just reward.
This is your BRAIN on RELIGION!Where is god when you need him? This nutjob needs a nice big bolt of lightning through her empty head or a spear through her empty heart! I actually find myself feeling pity for that lunatic fundie! Can you imagine how horrible her entire life must have been up to this point, in order to make her the way she is? I wonder how many preachers molested and abused her when she was a little girl. something had to make her that bitter, hateful, discompassionate, and inhuman! I hope to hell she doesn't have any kids! This whole thing just sickens me!
Glory! What a harpy! What we need now is MORE exposure for these religious nut jobs. When enough people see first hand how insane religion makes you we'll have less opposition to getting rid of it.
I can't wait til some of those people at that church die. Then we should protest their funerals and show them how it feels. We could have signs saying "There is no god you morons!" or "Your loved one is being eaten by worms in the ground".
"I can't wait til some of those people at that church die. Then we should protest their funerals and show them how it feels. We could have signs saying "There is no god you morons!" or "Your loved one is being eaten by worms in the ground"."That's . . . not a bad idea. The Phelps family is close knit, almost certainly incestuous, and the silence of Fred Phelps can only indicate that he is not doing well. Of course, when one of their own does die, they will call it God calling him home, or God testing them. This is the way of the narcissist. If it happens to them, it's good; if the exact same thing happens to someone else, it's bad because it happened to someone else and not them.But still, I like the protest idea.
This woman and Fred are perfect examples of how exactly all religions are formed, by self-righteousness and self-centeredness and blaming a God for having created their religion.This woman is as insane as the idiot that killed all those innocent children, we can almost expect something tragic to happen from this type of human insanity.It's a normal human trait to be self-centered, that's why the more people a person can convince that they are not crazy or completely insane, a religion is formed, (an anti-insane religion is formed) that is the reason there are so many different religions, they have all sprung up from mentally unhealthy people having convinced others that they too, are not insane, but instead of openly admitting they are completely insane, they've started a religion to convince themselves and others that they are not insane. A sect or any religion or denomination is a cult, saying "Look everybody, we are not insane we have these beliefs and they are backed by all these other humans that are in agreement with this particular belief, this therefore validates and proves that our God and beliefs are real and true, and all others are false and are going to hell." I rest my case!
Why does the media pay any attention to these nutjobs? (I know, because it sells, and it is funny to watch) However, and Fox seems to be the most willing to giving them coverage (Hannity & Colmes), this just ends up a sideshow that distracts people from real issues. Of course Phelphs and company are repugnant maniacs, but what about Hannity, and the conservatives who oppose equal rights for homosexuals themselves. State after state is banning gay marriage, and plenty others consider homsexuality to be sinful and deviant as much as Phelps does, but they don't have a sideshow to laugh at. The Westboro Baptist Church and their antics are not news, nor should they garner any meaningful attention that keeps our eyes off of real enemies and real threats.
Wow. Just wow. That woman is just so absolutely terrible. I can't see how anyone could not be embarassed to say the things she said on national television. I have to say that I'm glad the FOX guys didn't pull any punches in that heated discussion. Soul-less, pathetic, braindead. All are definitely dead-on descriptions of her.
Religion is the biggest threat facing the world today. Which religion you might ask? Well, all of them. Since a god doesn't exist, all religions are false and built on lies and myths. We here all know that. Getting the cretins to change their views is nearly impossible. Should we speak out our position clearly? By all means. The future of the world is at stake. Watching this video, I found myself pulling for Sean Hannity. He would have never treated a normal christian like that but they aren't much different. They all believe and do weird things and are deserving of scorn from the rest of humanity. I can hardly wait for that to happen.
What a ? I can not even think of a word. It's people like her that make me happy I'm an atheist!
What more can I add about this woman and her pathetic family that has not already been said. What a bunch of filthy degenerates.The Phelps sisters did make very harsh comments about Islam when they were on the Mike Gallagher show yesterday, saying that Mohammad was a pedophile, and Islam is a false religion. Not a very smart thing to say on a nationally syndicated radio show. Just look what happened after the pope's recent comments.
I disagree Joseph. Take a moment to ponder the true nature of all the real threats and real enemies of humanity. This type of insanity lay in the bowels of all denominations of all organized world religions. None of which are far away from taking this type of radical stance. This video exposes this insanity. It's said that a cornered animal will fight at it's fiercest. The more ground that religion looses to common sense and rationality, the more often we will see this type of doctrine being vomited by mindless individuals such as the Phelp's family. Our fight is with religion. I personally think we are winning! I like it when news media takes the time to expose this stupidity. If only one person views it and begins to doubt.............then I say keep up the good work! Turning the tide one person at a time.
JohnFensworth wrote:"I'm glad the FOX guys didn't pull any punches in that heated discussion. Soul-less, pathetic, braindead. All are definitely dead-on descriptions of her."Dead on descripions, yes, but not pulling punches for a journalistic interview, no. If they insist on having her on the show, they should be sticking to questons, and not persobal attacks, that, in her eys, only justify her views. Besides, nobody needs to be told that she is nuts - thats obvious.
Amazingly, this one is so extreme, she makes Ann Coulter look liberal!Hey, that's some achievment.But seriously, this just shows how bad it can become, when the "virus of faith" finally eats away what remains of a persons brain...
Wow. These guys were just about ready to strangle her. I wish they would have shut up more though, I wanted to hear the crazy lady finish her sentances.
And I thought I hated the Phelps clan before I saw this. That whore of christ is just as evil as her father. I don't even know how they manage to correlate this terrible tragedy into god's wrath. She tried to get her logic across, but it just didn't compute. Then again, I'm not insane or borderline psychotic, so I suppose I'm not supposed to understand.Those reporters were right: she is souless, heartless, braindead and completely lacking in compassion.The Phelps family is one horrible bunch that would do the world a favor to just lay down and die off. Of course, if anything bad were to happen to them, it would make them selfless martyrs in their own eyes. But it's a double standard: when bad things happen to anyone else, it's "god's wrath". Their god is psychotic and so are they. I wish they'd all contract flesh-eating bacteria and die, painfully and horribly. It would be a better fate than they deserve.
Maybe Phelps had to go and protest his anti-gay message at another military funeral or he decided to go she that fuck-up brainwashed horror movie call Jesus Camp.
Why does Fox News feel the need to give this howling shrew access to the nations airwaves? In order to argue with an idiot like her, you have to sink to her level, which is exactly what Fox News and H&C have done. I don't watch Fox News anymore because they've convinced me they are irrelevent. If a man with a gun walked up and blew her brains out, would the rest of the Phelps whackos believe that she deserved to die at the hands of an angry god controlling the heart of that man? I sincerely doubt it.
Noell wrote:"I disagree Joseph. Take a moment to ponder the true nature of all the real threats and real enemies of humanity. This type of insanity lay in the bowels of all denominations of all organized world religions. None of which are far away from taking this type of radical stance. This video exposes this insanity. It's said that a cornered animal will fight at it's fiercest. The more ground that religion looses to common sense and rationality, the more often we will see this type of doctrine being vomited by mindless individuals such as the Phelp's family. Our fight is with religion. I personally think we are winning! I like it when news media takes the time to expose this stupidity. If only one person views it and begins to doubt.............then I say keep up the good work! Turning the tide one person at a time"When people, such as those involved in the Westboro Baptist Church, are given expousure, a major distincion is made between moderate religion and extreme religion, but that isn't really the truth. The only reason moderate religion is more tolerate than the extreme is because secular society has forced it to move in that direction. Moderates, and even those less extreme than others, can use the likes of exposure of Westboro Baptist to defend themselves and their beliefs as rational and compassionate. Yes, relgion is an enemy, but when the focus is placed on those most anyone will define as insane, the rest of religon is let off the hook.
Well that is some wild and wacky stuff. I agree with the person who implied it was rather silly of Mr. Hannity to state that this lady was insane or whatever he said. It was rather redundant to the situation.
Damn! That is just nuts. I'm glad they showed that cause it shows just how crazy those people are! I even find myself cheering for Hannity for once . . .
I disagree. I think these people have it exactly right. They've read the Bible and are following it's homphobic, hate-filled, intolerant ideas correctly. The problem is not with these people as such. The problem is with the Bible. When this woman goes on the air and argues with people, she's RIGHT. This is what God wants - if you look at his manual.
I have to agree with IA. They are preaching exactly what is in the Bible. Ironically, with regard to the Bible we are on the same page as they are, at least with respect to the hatred and intolerance in its pages. We differ because we recognize the patent immorality of it.Here's their statement about why they teach hate from their FAQ page. Why do you preach hate?Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God's mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc. The maudlin, kissy-pooh, feel-good, touchy-feely preachers of today's society are damning this nation and this world to hell.So there you have it. Christians who admit that their Bible contains twice as many verses about hate and intolerance as it does about love.I've got to scrub my computer now (WBC scum on the desktop, you know). Be back later.
Wow that's an interesting skew, you're right, it's the blood thursty babble, she's just following her orders, I too blame that filthy piece of shit book. It needs to be destroyed.
Yup, that's exactly what I was thinking as I watched it...her logic is sound, based on what the bible teaches....it's funny to watch them tell her she's wrong (which she is, of course), but she knows her bible. A moderate Christian couldn't win a debate against her without saying that the bible is wrong.
I am thankful that this soulless bitch went on tv and said these things...keeps me from even considering turning back to Christianity. (Does not mean I'm thankful she protests at funerals, just that I found out what kind of people she is...)
please some godless person go and hang these people on a cross! string them up and make them suffer!
I couldn't agree more with the guy sitting on the left. She was just..,A) she admits that she's human tooB) Even the Amish aren't good enough for herC) She admits that even she deserves to dieD) She protests people's funerals BASICALLY JUST BECAUSE THEY DIED. E) If you die, it's because of God's wrath. All death's are because of God. And Everyone's a sinner. Not even the Amish are good enough. Therefore, protesting funerals is redundant.H) Basically, all she does is add to people's pain and make other religious fanatics look bad.If I was gay and American, I'd wait untill she dies and then piss on her grave.
In a way, though, it's good that people like her exist. I believe that there are three kinds of roll models; good rollmodels, bad rollmodels, and horrible warnings. Good rollmodels inspire good behaviour. Bad rollmodels inspire bad behaviour, and horrible Warnings inspire hatred and loathing, and inspire people to be as much the oposite of them as possible.
What a fuckin whack job. Sad thing is she wasn't born like this. She was brainwashed over time. I think the government needs to create new rules of what a non-profit organization is and isn't. Then create a secret service of watch dogs to sit in on church services everywhere. Break the rules and lose your tax free status.
So there's at least one thing that the Phelps clan won't do in the name of their myth. Interesting. I wonder what else they won't do.Hannity is a laugh riot on this vid; I've always considered him nothing more than a stuffed shirt anyway, and it's richly ironic to think that with respect to his religious beliefs, he's only a couple of degrees removed from the lunatic sitting across the table from him.
if the lord our god is going about killing off INNOCENT, sweet little children to make us repent...I'm glad to be and atheist.
I am saving up money to attend Fred Phelps funeral....... should be fun.Onanite
She calls everyone else evil and looks down upon them when in turn that makes her a hypocrit, especially when you look at the Biblical teachings she so 'closely' follows. This is just another example of hypocrisy among Christians. It's pathetic.
some people are so messed up
i dont understand why people feel the need to "answer" or "look to" something / someone which isnt there. isnt that what you call mad people? insane for "talking" to invisible people. so why are religious people not judged the same? why is it ok for them to speak to someone not there? its themselves who say/do/think bad stuff; its not a "god" or whatever religions call their leaders...im an athieist. i believe in myself. and myself alone. i do not need to have questions answered by someone who isnt there. am i mad? do i talk to myself? yes. the bible. a book. that's all it is. a book. written at one time a long time ago by someone wanting to be famous for ever. well done you. ive never read it. if "jesus" walked on water and cured people by touching them, why were the tv religious people jailed for doing the same? it's all a myth. it's not possible. again if this were to happen today, with the walking on water, it would be judged like everything else in a very mad-like way, so why is it acceptable just because you read it in a book from a long time ago?interesting topic.this "woman" on this video clip. sad. bringing pain to grieving folk. strike her down i say ;)
Hmmmm, Many interesting comments. While I think many "religious " people are good people at heart, I think many "religious" pastors and church leaders who "war monger" do it for the power. "I prayed and God told me that I should kill anyone I wish, cause its his will. And if he lets me do it, that is proof of his will." I think its just more proof that, even if there is some sort of God, it does not interfere with peoples actions. Hmmm, just a thought, OK , so we get to shoot this person. If they die, its Gods will and they should be happy about it, right?? OK, I will stop ranting now. IDM.
O Christian, gaze upon the true face of your religion!The one thing the Phelps woman gets right is the fact that she IS a true Christian. But will the huggy-snuggle Jesus-is-my-buddy crown learn anything from a performance like that? Very few, if any. They'll smugly chuckle that she sure needs to find God's love or some old shite.The thing that really got me was that if you remove the funerals-are-bad and dead-little-girls-good stuff from her rant, she expresses many sentiments of other frequent guests of the H&C show. Seriously, bleach the hair and narrow the face a bit, you've got Ann Coulter and her "look at me" brand of rhetoric.When the one on the left started in on her, was anyone else reminded of Dan Akroyd starting in on Jane Curtin on Weekend Update? Yeah, I know I'm dating myself..."Jane, you're an ignorant slut...""Phelps, you're an ignorant nut..."
Grim, isnt it? If you want a gallery of this sort of stuff, have a look at:http://www.godhatesfags.com/photos/2006/20060716_shirts.html"Hate" seems to be a word they like a lot doesnt it?
Wow... As if I weren't already pissed off at this group of sideshow freaks! What really pisses me off is that they're raising their children this way. I found pictures of kids holding their sick signs along the roadsides, and it disturbs me to no end. These people are really deranged. It's people like them that give religion and the followers a bad name, even the peaceful tolerant ones.
EVERY THING SHE SAYS, I BELIEVE IN.JUST TRY IT, AND LIVE BY THE LORD OUR GOD'S COMMANDMENTS
For fuck sake, man, just punch her!
You mean the one that says,Thou Shalt Not Kill? Yet she said they deserved to be killed, what a sick bunch of wacko's!
"Jean wrote:EVERY THING SHE SAYS, I BELIEVE IN.JUST TRY IT, AND LIVE BY THE LORD OUR GOD'S COMMANDMENTS "Oh, you KNOW I'm gonna jump on this one. Excuse me, she basically says that if you DIE it's because you weren't perfect. This is the same logic used by Carrie's mother in the Stephen king movie that, if Carrie avoided all sin and all thought of sin, she would never get a period. And when she did it was HER fault rather than a biological INEVITABILITY. And even the AMISH aren't good enough for her! The Amish are the most honest, hard-working, god-fearing uncorrupt people in America. If THEY'RE "evil" I'm hitler.there was a statistic not long ago on this very websight which said, interestingly, that different people who all call themselves "Christian" believe in four different Gods; Helpfull God, (involved and beligh)Deranged Angry God, (involved and angry)Armchair thumbs-up God, and (uninvolved and benign)Armchair Sulking god.(uninvolved and angry)The version of God that these people believe in, while acurate to the Bible, is a God who is in no way wothy of respect, let a lone worship. Seus is far more worthy of worship. Sure he can't keep his toga zipped up, but at least he's sane, and he likes SOME people.Even if she's right, that means that Heaven is a heaven designed by a complete lunatic who hates everyone and everything. Therefore, heaven would be is hell. Who wants to go to that kind of "hell"?You see here's the the thing; it's not her message,which is bad enough. It's the way she delivers it. She brings more pain to those who were already suffering, in a way that can only inspire anger and discgust. Frankly, I'm suprised she hasn't been shot. Mormons are bad enough, but they ONLY anoy people at their home, and half the time they're only interupting you watching TV. As I type I'm trying to think of a worse, more inaprpriate time to anoy people than a funeral. While on toilet? No... Wedding? Close but no... while a woman is experiencing labour? close...This woman claims, basically, that people die because they sin, therefore not sinning can lead to immortality. Therefore, how come Jesus is dead? And Moses? And all the saints and prophets?
Actually I just had another look at those photos (kIDS! they were making KIDS wear them!)These people hate both the amish and the U.S. government. Those are two separate polls of Christianity.One believes in harming no one and simply being good, the other belives God wants them to drop bombs on women and children. Mind you, the phelps woman may be right about her prediction, there probably will be more deaths. but that's because the fanatics in washington keep pissing off fanatics in the middle-east, Q; what would have happened if George W. Bush was president durin the cubin misile chrisis, and Kenedy was president now?A; Kenedy would have sent his brother to negotiante with Bin Laden and the war would've been over in six days. The Vietnam war would never have happened because Russia and America would have ceased to exist.
'Who controlls the hearts of men?"Therefore god WANTS me to be an Atheist and Gays to be gay and her to be a raving lunatic etc, and nothing she can do will ever alter that because it's like the whole planet is just a game of Warcraft and we're just doing what the player told us to do. (Explains allot, actually, if you think about it.)
It's a good thing that Phelps cancelled the protest! They sure would look funny walking around with pitchforks sticking out of their bodies....lol
Well at least they are being true to the 'wonderful Gospel of love.'
A few comments.1. Joseph Mulroney said:[quote]If they insist on having her on the show, they should be sticking to questons, and not persobal attacks, that, in her eys, only justify her views.[/quote]Exactly. 1. The Amish. Several people commented on the Amish as though the Amish were the ideal society that can do no wrong. I'm not Amish. I come from a horse and buggy Mennonite group. The difference between the horse and buggy Amish and the horse and buggy Mennonites is at least as big as the difference between Canadians and Americans. I can tell on sight whether a person is Amish or Mennonite because I know what cultural markers (details of clothing) to look for. I grew up on literature put out by the Amish. The stories I read in their magazines depicted a culture and value system identical to ours. I have also been part of a research team that looked at the horse and buggy Mennonite community where I used to live and how they relate to human services. From that research I learned about horrors that take place behind closed doors that no human should be subjected to. I personally have suffered the same. Before I learned of these other cases I used to think mine was a worst case scenario. I now think it was but one of many. The old-fashioned horse and buggy communities with their unique dress and lifestyle are made up of humans like the rest of society. Sex drive and lust for power are just as strong as anywhere else.Succinctly put, I lived in urban culture for years before I encountered anything that even matched the severity of the abuse I had suffered. I now know it exists but I have yet to see anything that is worse. I think it is wise to look for the goodness of people everywhere and not idealize anyone. QUESTION: I didn't get the story on what happened, but I wonder why those Amish children were in a position where they could get shot. Where were the adults? Here in the city I see far more adult supervision of children than I ever saw among the horse and buggy people. They trust God to protect their children. When something like this happens they accept it as God's will. WHY???
I think Ms Phelps was simply putting out the message that the Amish live by. The Amish probably take the shooting as an act of God to prove test their faith, rather than a warning that they need to better protect their children. (That's just an educated guess on my part; I don't know this community.)There is something revulsing about Ms Phelps and I can't watch it a second time because of it. The same goes for my own people. I have to prepare myself emotionally, turn off my heart, simply to travel through the geographical area in a closed vehicle, or to see a person in Mennonites garb, or see a horse and buggy. When they showed up in my neighbourhood or on my bus I feel like the enemy had invaded my safe territory. Ms Phelps is every inch the same kind of woman. And you people idealize the Amish? Please! you don't know what goes on behind closed door.One word against Ms Phelps: If she is so dedicated to living like the Bible says (and she definitely does not over-do the make-up and hair style like Peter says) why does she not wear a head covering like Paul commands?I admired her ability to keep her cool when those guys blew up over her. She LIVES her faith. It also occurs to me to ask why two men were needed to interview a single woman? Might it be because no man could handle her on his own? He needed the moral support of a colleague? Just some questions. I guess it's obvious to all readers that I vascillate between hate and love for these kinds of people. Hate because they demand belief without evidence and condemn a person to hell for questioning, love because they are, after all, my own kin. In my mind, Ms Phelps represents them. Sorry to disillusion you guys but I think it's time. The Amish are humans very like all other humans on this planet.
"Sorry to disillusion you guys but I think it's time. The Amish are humans very like all other humans on this planet."We are all humans FIRST.....it's the religious belief that causes the division. That lunatic was mainstream/moderate before she turned extremist. Keep that in mind.
I thought of something that's about as bad as picketing funerals;Picketing a rape trial with signs that say "Dt 22;28/29" and "50 pieces of silver" and "Marry him".
This woman fails the Christian "litmus test". That is all.
RubySera,Interesting. What cruelties are you talking about? I thought the Amish believed in never harming anyone, don't they? Then again, most of my knowledge of Amish culture comes from "Witness" and "Amish in the city".
That was obscene, I mean really. When religious floks get zealous I don't really mind but when they are so downright *rude*, that ticks me off.She doesn't deserve to die, she deserves never to have been born, to date i've only been able to say that about one other person.
This phelps bitch is a vile excuse for a human being, but I agree with a previous poster who says that this bunch correctly admits that the bible absolutely sanctions hate by a margin of two to one over love, mercy, etc.I have a fantasy of attending any of their funerals and protesting myself against them, especially their leader fred, then everyone pissing on his grave afterward.This is a perfect reason for people to finally see that the bible and religion are the primary causes for much of this insanity. The poor kids of this family (shirley phelps has at least 10 children) are subjected to one of the most insidious forms of child abuse there is...they should be thrown in jail for it I think...I wish in my lifetime that everyone in this country could miraculously realize that the bible is a completely morally bankrupt piece of mythical filth. Pragmatically I think this will take several more centuries, even with our scientific advances. It's a wonderful fantasy though. Imagine!!!
I think that the reporters interviewing Mrs Phelps,on every clip I have so far seen, have been extremely silly in attempting to out-argue the woman by calling her names. It's just the wrong tactic, but they use it every time.If she really believes in an Old Testament vengeful God then, presumably, she also believes in the fire-and-brimstone version of the devil and hell. Why does she think that God sent a man to murder Amish girls? Why does she not think that it was the devil?The only time I have heard her refer to the devil is when people have quoted Scripture to demonstrate the love of God; then she claims that the devil is putting words into their mouths. (I forget the Bible quote SHE uses).The Phelps family appears to demonstrate a catastrophic separation of religion from faith.
Deamond said:RubySera,Interesting. What cruelties are you talking about? I thought the Amish believed in never harming anyone, don't they?Then again, most of my knowledge of Amish culture comes from "Witness" and "Amish in the city".********************As you know, what Christians profess and how they actually live tend to be two different things. As someone else acknowledged, all of us are humans first. I don't know this specific Amish community but I come from that culture. Suppression of true feelings, oppression of misfits, sexual molestation and abuse, those are a few of the things that happen behind closed doors. Counselors, medical workers, human services personnel--all of them report things from that kind of community that no human should experience. These things are never portrayed by the media and the communities make sure the media don't know about it. The media idealizes this kind of community way out of proportion. You can see more of my feelings around this in my posts on the forums. Dave started a thread on this video.
I'm not a violent person. But if, perhaps, a large truck lost control while passing Phelps' protest group and took them all out... Well I think I just might smile.
Ooooh - I'd be careful about that.... It may be seen as an Act of God, and have moderate Christians all across the world offering up prayers.... As well as nearly everyone else to be honest ;¬)
i hope satan carrot peels her heart out.
If I said that I hated her and judged her, Id be just the same. Therefore I cant hate her nor do I want to. Hate just breeds evil. I just hope and pray that one day she will understand the pain she causes. If someone is called to preach the word of their Lord that is fine with me. Go ahead and tell me that I am not living up to the standards of your God but please remember that it is only up to your god to judge who is and isn't worthy of heaven...not you. Faith and Religion isnt about hatred. You can believe in a god and not want to condemn everyone who doesnt share your opinion. There are so many religions in this world who am I to say which if any (including my own) is correct?
if there is a satan it dwells in this evil woman. You can see evil, hatred and loneliness written all over the harsh ugly lines of her face. Her father is evil incarnate and clearly the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree. When someone takes a gun to her family will she get up on tv and say they deserved it? I'm fairly certain the rest of the planet will think so!I hope she dies, slowly, in pain and alone. With no god to give her comfort and peace.
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