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5/25/2007                                                                                       View Comments

Christians putting on the kink

By Dave, the WM

Valerie Tarico, author of "The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth," pointed me toward an interesting website this week. Here's a quote from that site:
A Christian Domestic Discipline marriage is one that is set up according to Biblical standards; that is, the husband is the authority in the household. The wife is submissive to her husband as is fit in the Lord and her husband loves her as himself. He has the ultimate authority in his household, but it is tempered with the knowledge that he must answer to God for his actions and decisions. He has the authority to spank his wife for punishment...

Though this seems unusual in today's United States, this kind of marriage has been practiced throughout history and is still practiced in many parts of the world today. (LINK)

That's right, it's Christian Domestic Discipline (CDD)!

And if you wonder if these people consider themselves "True Christians™," read this:
The Bible is God's inerrant Word and we will honor it as literal and valid for all time.

The wife is to submit to her husband, and the husband is to love the wife.

CDD is practiced between a man and a woman.

In CDD, the husband has authority to spank the wife. The wife does not have authority to spank her husband.

We believe the Bible gives a husband the authority to use spanking as one tool in enforcing his authority in the home with or without his wife's permission...

In all fairness, the site includes a disclaimer that since in today's world non-consensual physical abuse is against the law, it's not recommended. However, they clearly believe the Bible allows non-consensual wacks on the butt, or wherever. Oh well, paradoxical ideas like this are rife in Christendom. I suppose this is no different.

More:
By its very nature this subject can be erotic...

Now there's the rub, or spank, as it were.

While I would agree that there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults being creative in the bedroom, I find it interesting that some Christians crave this type of adventuresome play to the point of finding a way of supporting the kink with scripture — as stated on this page:
Many Christians believe that a wife is supposed to submit to her husband. If you talk to most evangelicals they will tell you that the husband has authority over his wife and household. But if you say that a man has the right to spank his wife if needed to maintain that authority in the home, very often you've got a fight on your hands.

A man is supposed to love his wife as himself! How could he discipline her if he loves her? That is degrading to his wife! The arguments are seemingly endless.

However, up until the middle of last century, it was generally thought that a man did have the right of enforcement in his home. Could it perhaps be our culture rather than anything to do with the scripture that causes such an outcry against CDD? I think so.

Of course a man IS supposed to love his wife as himself, but that does not rule out discipline. In fact, the Bible has only good things to say about discipline.

Discipline is associated with love:

As many as I love I rebuke and chasten...Revelation 3:19

He that spareth his rod hateth his son, but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes…Proverbs 13:24

It is associated with wisdom and understanding:

The rod and reproof give wisdom… Proverbs 29:15

...but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding... Proverbs 10:13

And it is associatd with peace and righteousness:

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous; nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby… Hebrew 12:11

Since there is no scripture whatsoever that speaks poorly of discipline, and seeing what good things the Bible tells us come from discipline begs the question:

How can a man say he loves his wife and not discipline her when needed?


Maybe it's just me, but after seeing this, I think I might visualize a different sort of "rod" whenever I see those passages.

So what do you think all this means? Is Christianity simply returning to that old time religion? Is this a completly "new thing" inspired by the holy spook? Or is the bad old devil involved, somehow.

Or, is it just plain funny?

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19 comments:

freedy said...

God hates gay's,but love's bondage, kinky S&M sex and even a little domestic violence once in awhile.
Great point.

Spirula said...

It's fundy kink alright. It's S&M for Jaysus.

Jesus' General did a piece on in them a while back. The merchandise is hilarious too, such as crotchless pantaloons!

paul said...

Wow,
This may be a reason to re-convert.

but seriously folks. I have been wondering about this in general. It does seem that more Christians are being exposed to questions about their beliefs. With the advent of cyber world and ExChristians.net. It's harder for Christiandom to remain blissfully ignorant or ignore some of those "old time" practices when there are folks like us saying: "oh yeah, what about long hair on men, or adorned women, or wife beating." I guess it's forcing a percentage of the 'faithful' to put up or shut up.

I wish they would prophesy or heal the sick instead, but then, spanking doesn't necessitate magic. As usual, atheists are still one step ahead. At least with an atheist the spanking can be mutual.

freedy said...

Paul you left out killing disobedient children and staying away from women on their period.

The bible is full of such nonsense and should be look upon only as a book of fiction and myths.

By the way anyone can speak a word over someone and/or nation,I use to do it all the time.
If there were any true healing going on in a church,there would be millions of sick people trampling over each other to get there.
Where is this happening?

Nvrgoingbk said...

As Paris Hilton would say: "That's hot!"

Anonymous said...

Oh, my gosh.. oh, my goshhh.. OH MY FRIKKIN' GOSH!!! BWa-hahahahahHAAAAAA!! I'm sending that link to the entire e-mail list in my (ex)church directory! Har har har!!! "Oh, spank me Jesus!" Woo hoo!! -Wes.

stronger now said...

Spare the rod spoil the child...

And by the way if you love your wife you'll beat the shit out of her too.

This is just a fundy way of letting the congregation in on some kinky slap and tickle fun and calling it biblical.

You just got to know some asshole somewhere is going to take this way way too far.

My wife was telling me that she heard some lady sing a song about getting spanked with the bible belt.
Anyone ever hear it?

Epicurienne said...

But what about Christian men who enjoy being "dominated"?

One of them is bound to find a Biblical reason why it's okay to visit a leather-clad dominatrix who wields a riding crop.....[g]

Timothy said...

I always wondered where to get crotchless pantaloons. Now me and my girlfriend can play our pirate game with full costumes.

Timothy said...

Epicurienne made me curious so I googled christian bdsm and this was the first page listed. http://www.christiansandbdsm.com

twincats said...

So, men and women can hit children, men can hit women and the men beat up on each other. Once again, gawd doesn't have to lift a finger. Sounds like business as usual to me.

As for the crotchless pantaloons; as an historical re-enactor, I can tell you that pantaloons, bloomers, etc. all started out that way. It's very impractical to pull 'em up and down with corsets, bodices and stuff making you unable to bend over!

Also, it was considered unseemly and wicked for women to wear any garment that touched the crotch area up through the Victorian era. Exceptions were made for the menstrual period, of course, but other than that, women were expected to be free of constricting undergarments beneath all those skirts.

Facilitated spanking, too. ;)

Anonymous said...

This is foolishness. I am a christian and a very devout one at that. The bible says that the man of God must not be a striker. In other words he can't get into fights and certainly can't hit his wife. Any christian that says this does not know the word of God and any atheist that believes this does not know anything about christianity. Jesus does not advocate spousal abuse.

J.T. said...

Thanks Dave for posting this! Oh I absolutley love this article! LOL I love it that a man has the right to spank his wife! WOW I think I'm going back to the cross! LOL Funny Funny Funny!

.:webmaster:. said...

Anonybot #2,384,900 said: "The bible says that the man of God must not be a striker."

Really? Could you please supply the reference for that Biblical admonition? I don't recall that one.

twincats said...

The man of god must not be a striker?

That's gonna really mess up the World Cup!

Anonymous said...

Jesus does not advocate spousal abuse.
What about his dad? Do you think Abraham's wives were equal partners in their marriage?

paul said...

webmaster,
I guess Anonybot 2,384,900 is off rebuking other infidels, so I'll venture an answer.

Remember when Moses struck the rock instead of waving his staff over it? God was so pissed that he didn't let Moses go into the promised land. Of course, anony was a little ignorant himself, or maybe disingeuous. While it might be argued that "God" is against "striking" rocks, Proverbs instructs parents to beat their kids and further explains they will not die from it (unless you get carried away, I guess). As to wifebeating? Why not, as long as it's all done in love. After all, "the Lord disciplines those whom he loves..." and Christians are supposed to imitate him.

Anonymous said...

Dingo: Oh, wicked, bad, *naughty* Zoot! She has been setting a light to our beacon, which, I've just remembered, is grail-shaped. It's
not the first time we've had this problem...

Galahad: (incredibly disappointed) It's not the real Grail????!

Dingo: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty, *evil* Zoot! (leading him back into the room with all the women in it) She is a *naughty* person...
and she must pay the penalty! And here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment for setting alight the grail-shaped beacon: You must tie her down on a bed, and *spank* her.

Others: A spanking, a spanking!!!

Dingo: You must spank her well, and after you have spanked her, you may
deal with her as you like. And then...... spank me!

Others: And spank me! And me! And me! And me!

Dingo: Yes, you must give us all a good spanking!!

Others: A spanking, a spanking, there's going to be a spanking tonight!!!!!

Dingo: ...and after the spanking.... the Oral Sex!!

Others: (amid squeals of delight) The oral sex, the oral sex!!!

Galahad: Well, I could stay a *bit* longer...

Anonymous said...

Yeah, don't ever let a striker pilot your plane either...



Kramer : Thanks. Striker . . . Striker, this is Captain Rex Kramer speaking.
Striker: YES, -CAPTAIN- Kramer, I read you loud and clear.
Kramer : Alright, its obvious you remember me. What do you say you and I just forget about everything except what we have to do now.
Striker: Lets not kid each other _Kramer_ you know I've never flown a bucket like this. I'm gonna need all the luck there is.
Kramer : Standby Striker. Our one hope is to build this man up, I've got to give him all the confidence I can.
Striker- have you ever flown a multi-engine plane before?
Striker: NO, never.
Kramer : ( TO McCrosky thinking that the radio to Striker is off)
SHIT! This is a God damned waste of time, there's no way he can land that plane.
MCrosky: (Radio is still on) Grab ahold of yourself, you gotta talk him down, you gotta.
Kramer : We ought to route him in Lake Michigan, at least we'll
avoid killing innocent people.