It's just pure nonsense

By Bill J:

Despite all the claims of healing people make in church, I never saw anyone's arm regrow because god healed them.

I was at a Vineyard Christian Fellowship church in California where this guy named Paul Cain was prophesying and calling people out of the audience. He supposedly revealed things about them that god told him. Years later I found out that he is a chronic alcoholic and closet homosexual.

I just don't get it. Every week there is a new charge against a religious leader in the news somewhere in this country. I'm tired of Christians telling me that you have to look at Jesus and not at man. Well, isn't man supposed to change when they find Jesus?

Where's the proof. People are always claiming they spoke to god and he/she answered them, but no two people can agree on what god said. I'm shocked that religious people can't see this. What's up with that?

I don't go to church because I fail to see proof of the existence of god in church. People of other religions, faiths and philosophies claim they know the truth. They all point to their own interpretation of truth.

It's just pure nonsense. People need to put church and religion aside and think for themselves. They need to take care of this planet and care for one another because it is the only rational thing to do. People need to stop killing each other in the name of god. They need to stop looking down at others who don't worship like they do or believe just the rights thoughts in their head like they do.

People are willing to live and die for many things. That willingness hardly qualifies as evidence that god exists.

What is faith? Is it believing in just the right things so you can go to heaven? What about those who don’t believe in just the right doctrines or theologies? In the Christian realm there are hundreds of different points of view regarding salvation, spirituality, eschatology and so on. How do you know that what you believe will unlock the truth for you?

If you stop and challenge yourself, you might find out that believing in your believe is just that. It is a series of thoughts based on something somebody else told you was true. It is a feeling you interpret as truth for yourself. It is the same feeling millions of others interpret as truth for themselves.

Leonard Pitts wrote, "Forget what you want to believe. Seek the truth and have the courage to believe that."

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Aspentroll said...

What your saying is absolute truth in my opinion and probably is the opinion of everyone else here who read these posts.

The problem is that the right people, those who are on the edge of religions, don't always read our posts on this site. The true "fundie" would argue against all that is posted here until they have a revelation.

"God" has never been interested enough to have amputees regrow their limbs, or to cure cancer or to stop tsunamis, or earthquakes and other assorted disasters.

These facts should be the clues for a "fundie" to try for a reality check. Of course there are many more just as reasonable requests
(prayers) that are never answered.

Most of us here are satisfied that "God" does not exist and prayers are nothing but wishful thinking.

Aspentroll said...

"Years later I found out that he is a chronic alcoholic and closet homosexual."

Is he in any way related to Ted Haggard?

eel_shepherd said...

"...Years later I found out that he is a chronic alcoholic and closet homosexual..."

Bottle of wine, fruit of the Vine.

Anonymous said...

I remember one time at this church, some people told me about this guy who lived in Africa passed away. They said that he had been dead for at least a couple of days. The doctors documented this guy's death.

Then after being dead for a couple of days, this same guy woke up. They claimed that they have the documented evidence on video tape of this guy waking up from the dead, along with all of the doctor's testimonies who were witnesses.

Sounds like Bullshit doesn't it?

Apparently these same charasmatic, fanatical idiots have never heard of, "Special Effects" or "Doctored Video". It's the same thing Hollywood does with their movies.

That just shows how delusional some of these christians are, and how much they have lost touch with "Reality".

ExFundie said...

Bill J what's up? You never contacted me on myspace. We can exchange emails through there. I just don't wanna post it on a public website. My profile address is

Jamie said...

claimed that they have the documented evidence on video tape of this guy waking up from the dead,

Waking up? So they just happened to point a video camera at the dead guy for a couple of days? Just in case? If we lived in a world where it was some kind of cultural tradition for someone to videotape their dead just laying there for a few days, then this documentation does sound mighty suspicious.

Anonymous said...

Jamie wrote:
"Waking up? So they just happened to point a video camera at the dead guy for a couple of days? ... .some kind of cultural tradition for someone to videotape their dead just laying there for a few days."
While I agree this story is totally bogus, for at least the reasons you sight, there is one other possibility here.


In Haiti it has been a long time 'tradition' to use certain drugs, obtained from sources like the puffer fish, to bring a person to a DEATH-LIKE state and then after a period of time, this half dead person is brought back to life as a "zombie".

The person would initially appear quite dead, and without the benefit of modern medical equipment, he/she could easily be assumed dead by untrained villagers.

Of course in Africa, I wouldn't think a video camcorder would be something that most would own, like most do in the USA and England etc..

I also have no idea if this zombie practice of Haiti is also performed in any parts of Africa, but it sure seems to me that it could be.

So that would add to your idea that someone had this event planned, just to claim a miracle.

Of course, this all assumes the story is not one based on nothing but hear-say tales of the pulpit, just to promote the glory of their god.

In any case, this is just another example of xtians never questioning anything they are told about their religion.


Bloviator said...

I myself can tell an even more amazing story about waking up from the dead -- in this case, after nearly 50 years. I was a zombie in christ, and then I woke up.

Anonymous said...

I totaly agree! My family isn't very religious but I would still get lectured for even being on this site, yet there are people in my neighborhood who would go on a crusade to convert me! :( People just are too afraid to see reason. This whole thing is about fear and dominance e.e nothing more...

Anonymous said...

Good posts folks about the video camera on the dead guy.

I'm sitting here laughing about it right now as I read your comments to my last post. Yeah, it is pretty ridiculous, plus most of the people who go to that church are a bunch of nuts anyway.

If you walked into this same church that I heard that story from, you would realize just how much these people have lost touch with reality.

It is funny that they would have a video camera on the dead guy for two days. Maybe God gave them a vision through prophecy, and they were expecting the guy to wake up from the dead..........LMAO!!!! NOT!!!!

There was this couple in the church who claimed that God gave them a $250,000 home. Apparently someone in the church actually gave them that home.

The same guy who said that "God gave them that $250,000 home" claimed that he would never go back into debt again for anything, because "Being In Debt" is a sin.

Must be nice getting a "$250,000" handout from a local church like that.

I knew that God had many different names, however I never realized that one of God's many names was, "WELFARE".

I guess Jesus did change the old law about, "Those who don't work, don't eat".

Jesus now gives out "$250,000" homes and Food Stamps.

Anonymous said...

Aspentroll asked,

"Is he in any way related to Ted Haggard?"

Yes he is...they share the same braincell.

Anonymous said...

Leonard Pitts! I love that guy's columns.

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