1/13/2008                                                                                       View Comments

I'm God, BEOCH!!!

Attention : Which do you believe in? The one they talk about in church or the described in the ? Many of you would be surprised to learn that they are not the same.
The most envision is a loving, caring, father-figure type of guy who is up in heaven watching over them and looking out for them. This is a far cry from the of the who rules by fear, kills anyone who rejects him, orders his followers to kill others, and demands worship.

is mentioned often in the Bible. Here are some excerpts (found in your King James Bible and The Skeptic's Annotated Bible).
Leviticus 25:17
Thou shalt fear thy God: for I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 4:10
That they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children
Deuteronomy 6:2
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments.
Deuteronomy 6:13, 10:20
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 6:24
And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God.
Deuteronomy 10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 14:23
...that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deuteronomy 31:12
Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 31:13
And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God.
Joshua 4:24
That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.
Joshua 24:14
Fear the Lord ... and put away the gods which your fathers served.
1 Samuel 12:14
If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:
1 Samuel 12:24
Fear the Lord.
2 Kings 17:39
But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.
1 Chronicles 16:25
The Lord ... is to be feared above all gods.
Nehemiah 5:9
Also I said, It is not good that ye do: ought ye not to walk in the fear of our God because of the reproach of the heathen our enemies?
Job 28:28
The fear of the LORD, that is wisdom.
Psalm 19:9
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever.
Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him.
Psalm 33:8
Let all the earth fear the LORD.
Psalm 33:18
The eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him.
Psalm 34:9
O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
Psalm 96:4
For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psalm 103:11
Great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
Psalm 103:13
The LORD pitieth them that fear him.
Psalm 103:17
But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him.
Psalm 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Psalm 112:1
Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD.
Psalm 115:13
He will bless them that fear the LORD.
Psalm 128:1
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD.
Psalm 47:11
The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge.
Proverbs 14:2
He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD.

Proverbs 22:4
By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.
Proverbs 24:21
My son, fear thou the LORD.
Ecclesiates 5:7
For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Isaiah 8:13
Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Hosea 3:5
Fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.
Malachi 2:4-5
...that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
Jeremaih 5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence?
Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5
Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luke 1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
Romans 3:10-18
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: ... There is no fear of God before their eyes.
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.
Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
1 Peter 2:17
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.
Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord?


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30 comments:

Thackerie said...

Oh, don't be silly! Kust because the word "fear" is written out in plain English numerous times throughout the bible, it doesn't really mean "fear." It means "respect" or some other less scary concept. Same way god didn't really mean it when he said that he created evil.

At least, that's what the fundy apologists claim.

See? It's easy to believe in a loving god when you discount all the nasty stuff and redefine words whenever the need arises.

fjell said...

Exactly, Thadkerie, and when the two she bears come out of the woods in 2 Kings and maul the 42 youths, it doesn't REALLY mean that two bears put the blood-soaked smack down on forty two Jewish teens, it means that...

Well, actually, I can't think of what else that might mean.

I guess maybe we should fear the "lord" as the word fear really suggests.

Anonymous said...

SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY, RIGHT?...Except when it comes to bible scriptures. If they don't like what it says, they change it. Why haven't they changed "fear" to mean what god REALLY meant? hmmmmmmmmm...

Isaiah 7:34 in the King James version had unicorns, but was changed to wild oxen in the newer versions of the bible.Or how about the "satyrs" in Isaiah 13:21. Wierd looking beast, but I guess maybe he was too scarey for the kids back in those days. They need to put him back in there. The kids nowadays would love this guy. COOL! Hey, new idea for a video game....

Anonymous said...

You know, it is interesting how the christian apologists always seem to remind me of abused individuals. They always seem to ready to discount the negative aspects of their god. It reminds me of individuals who have to constantly make excuses for their alcoholic (or pick your pathology) abusers.
We put abusers behind bars and yet give a pass to God because somehow these deluded individuals cannot fathom the idea that their perfect (idealized) god is nothing more than an ancient human creation.
God(s) throughout history have merely reflected mankind's desire to subjugate those around them.
Hence the assertions that unless we believe as they do we will suffer some sort of eternal torment.
Torment is not what scares me, what scares me is the existential delusion that all these magical believing individuals operate under.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote: "Why haven't they changed "fear" to mean what god REALLY meant? hmmmmmmmmm..."

uhhhh.. maybe because nobody knows what was actually meant? The ambiguity of the Bible is so great, it is impossible to reach a unanimous, or even majority, consensus on what all of it means. Which suggests (to me, anyway) that whatever message god(s) was trying to deliver just isn't all that important. Certainly an omniscient supreme being who had a message impacting my eternal well-being knows that it would have to be put in unmistakably clear language that ANYone could grasp at first reading.

Knitterman said...

sorry...the previous "anonymous" was me. We can't write what was meant because we just don't know what was meant.

Anonymous said...

Hey All,

Read what this guy says about "rebels". It's a really great laugh. Enjoy.
http://books.google.com/books?id=w4js6f8gAeAC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=apostle+michael+james+lindquist&source=web&ots=jpdCbroI5q&sig=CWGyQko78GVmTEUQC8IdGIw2yuA#PPA137,M1

Knitterman said...

Anonymous put a link to a book about "15 Signs of a Rebellious Heart". In the long, long excerpt (heck, might as well just give the book away), the Number One Sign is this: "A rebel is a master at blame-shifting.... doesn't want to take responsibility for his own actions." Hmm... sounds like a lot of religious people, putting responsibility off on God, the devil, angels, pastors, and everyone else, instead of thinking and acting like the autonomous person they were born to be.

Humorous book, at best, but typical funda-gelical tripe. (in my opinion, of course)

D Laurier said...

"A rebel is a master at blame-shifting.... doesn't want to take responsibility for his own actions."
Except you know... All those rebels who are not "masters at blame shifting", And who do gladly and proudly take full responsibility for their actions.

A Theist said...

Funny how these fundies project their own shortcomings onto others.
When I was a young lad of 19 I came under the spell of this charlatan apostle. Thankfully, I have completely disengaged myself from his brainwashing.

Joe B said...

If the God of Abraham, or Zeus, or Vishnu or any of these superhero types really existed, I'd be afraid of them. It would make perfect sense. I observe speed limits that are absurdly low in some places, I don't turn right on red, even when it would be perfectly safe to do so. Why, because these laws were put in place by people who really exist, and enforced by people who are really out there to enforce compliance. Ok, it's not mortal fear, but still fear that drives compliance.

Fear of God is like being afraid of monsters under the bed. I used to be afraid of them too. Glad to be free of both.

John of Indiana said...

"Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence?"

No, and HELL No.

In addition to all the times I prayed to Sky-Daddy for stuff benefitting mankind, I also, as I started to pull away, prayed for Him to show His sour-assed self to me so I could kick Him square in His all-impregnating Nutz.

Didn't answer THOSE prayers, either.

God said...

I AM GOD, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU LOWLY HUMAN BEINGS WANT, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED OR WHAT YOU DESIRE, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE HURTING AND SUFFERING THAT GOES ON DOWN THERE.

ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME IS THAT YOU SERVE ME IN FEAR, AND THAT YOU OBEY ME OR I WILL ROAST YOU IN HELL.

THAT IS WHO I TRULY AM. I CARE ONLY ABOUT MYSELF AND MY OWN PERSONAL AGENDA, I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT THE REST OF YOU LOWLY HUMANS ON EARTH WANT.

I CREATED ALL OF YOU FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING ATTENTION AND ENTERTAINMENT.

THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR LIVES.

THE TRUE GOD

AtheistToothFairy said...

John of Indiana said...
..as I started to pull away, prayed for Him to show His sour-assed self to me so I could kick Him square in His all-impregnating Nuts
--
Well no wonder John,
Isn't it obvious that the 'lord' had a great fear of YOU, and of course, an even bigger fear for his jesus-making nutz.

I can't tell you how often I read how an ex-xtian begged for the MIA gawd to show himself, but as always, got ignored by this too-busy gawd.
The only folks who gawd seems to answer are the one's who have the odd ability to produce god voices within their own sorry minds.

On my big list of "10 reasons why god can't be out there", clearly is that he's too afraid to show himself in any meaningful manner to his human pets.
He always works in these "mysterious ways".

Did you ever notice that xtians can find an excuse for any objection to do with their god being MIA in human affairs?
Oddly enough, it seems they really believe each excuse they spit out to us.

I think part of the reason they continue to believe, is because they never look at their list of excuses as a whole, to see the big picture, but rather only see each excuse as just one tiny excuse that stands all alone.


ATF (who wonders if xtian minds can ever see anything in this world, with their limited view of reality)

Knitterman said...

ATF: good point. Reading your comment, my brain conjured up the image of the scared little boy whose momma keeps him in fear with "just wait until your Daddy gets home, you're gonna get it BIG TIME!" ....

and then my brain flashed to a different scene, same little kid a bit older, Daddy doesn't come around much any more, he asks Momma, "Where's daddy?" And for a long time he just accepts what he's told "He's working late", "he had important things to take care of", "he promised he'd come see you later." and blah blah blah.

It's no wonder so many Christians give the impression of being abused or neglected children. But just like the little boy, if anyone else says a word against his Daddy, he's ready to fight for his Daddy's "honor".

And eventually the little kid grows up and realizes Daddy just isn't going to come around, probably never was, and Momma was just covering up for absent Daddy. Makes me wonder (as my late-evening brain runs topic to topic), how many preachers today get the gnawing feeling that maybe they're covering up for God now, too, so that all God's children in the pew might continue to hold on to the promise or hope of God actually showing up. Hmmmm....

Anonymous said...

Reading through the list of fear, I couldn't help but think of two so-called churches. Westboro Baptist with Freddy (Kruger) Phelps and, of course, Landover Baptist.
cheers,
Swabby

AtheistToothFairy said...

Knitterman said...
And eventually the little kid grows up and realizes Daddy just isn't going to come around, probably never was, and Momma was just covering up for absent Daddy
----
Knitt',
I think you have made a darn good analogy here.

As I grew up in childhood, the magic of Santa vanished with reality taking his place.

As I left early adulthood, little by little the promise of god's existence started to slowly fade away to. While I didn't deny he was out there somewhere, he felt less and less real in my own existence.
Just like the Mother's reassurance that Daddy would come back home for the child, many around me kept trying to reassure me that if I did this thing or that, or joined this great church, that god would start to feel more real again in my life.
However, no matter where I sought to find this magical feeling god of my former childhood, he always seemed to be in a place that I wasn't looking for him.

After hunting through one faith after another and discovering more and more the incongruities that set them apart from each other, it became obvious that if god existed, he didn't want to be found by someone who wanted more than just another person's word to verify he was real.
So yeah, just like the Daddy who stopped coming around, this god faded away more and more as I grew older and wiser.

Today, those in my life that are sure of god's existence, sound to me very much like that Mother you speak of, who keeps promising that if we have hope that daddy-god will eventually show up.

Some insist that speaking in tongues is proof that god is real and is visiting us.
I don't know about you, but after watching the latest video's on this site, those folks don't give me the impression of a god talking through their writhing/shaking bodies.
To me, it very much reminds me of someone who's brain is having a huge electrical storm.
i.e. A huge malfunction.
Think about it, would god really desire to talk through his followers in such a darn SCARY manner. I hugely doubt it!!


ATF (Who thinks god is for sure...."Lost In Space", and I swear I can hear some angelic robot yelling out Danger-Danger------Will Robinson)

Anonymous said...

The problem with you atheist is that you really don’t understand the love of God.
The reason God want us to fear him is because he love you. God doesn’t want you to spend eternity in hell and that’s why he son to save humanity from sin. It’s like a kid fearing the punishment of his parents. It’s not like the parents don’t love him, but there are just disciplining the kid out of love. God has always mercy. He could have destroyed the earth with the deluge, but out of the kindness of his heart he decided to save 6 people. Please take time and really think about John 3:16. and when you read ponder on it, and there and there only can you see the beauty of our lord.

psychman said...

Well, here we go again.
It seems that anonymous suffers from the need to protect their pathological god.
Listen, get into some therapy and develop some realistic outlooks on this god delusion of yours.
Trust me when you truly gaze upon your god you will realize that there is nothing there and that everything you need to be a happy, moral, and ethical individual lies within you.

AtheistToothFairy said...

AnyIdiotMouse said:
"He could have destroyed the earth with the deluge, but out of the kindness of his heart he decided to save 6 people"

Hey Mouse,
How about I chop off 9 of your fingers and then you can thank me from the bottom of your heart, for saving the 1 last finger for you to pick your nose with.

That is exactly how your god works, idiot


ATF (who can't believe how brainwashed some can be)

Astreja said...

Today's fundy rodent: "The reason God want us to fear him is because he love you."

That's sick and idiotic. Those are the words of an abuser, not someone who loves.

"Please take time and really think about John 3:16..."

Worst. Fucking. Verse. In. The. Bible. It promotes human sacrifice as a good thing and eternal life as a reality rather than fiction, and has the unmitigated gall to call the process "love".

(offers Anonymouse to Her cats, but they don't want it either)

Mandy said...

Anonymous Wrote: "The problem with you atheist is that you really don’t understand the love of God."

The problem with Christians like yourself is that you apparently do not read the posts on this site. You live in a fantasy world and do not live in modern day reality.

The so called "love of God" is nothing more than a fable that has been passed down from generation to generation. Go back and read your bible where it talks about where God had innocent people murdered in his name. You also need to read in the bible where God also killed several innocent women and children by destroying their cities. I find your comments to be absurd, and very insulting to anyone who has intelligence.

I guarantee that most people (Non-believers who were once part of the christian faith) know a lot more about the bible than you do. You are a typical "Cherry Picking Christian" who cherry picks Bible Verses that speak of love only. You read and hear only what you want to read and hear. Go back and read about the anger, jealousy, and wrath of your God. The one who makes murderous threats against innocent people who choose not to follow him. Your God is a double minded individual who talks out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to love. Your God is no different than someone who threatens to slit someone's throat if they don't give him what he wants. Christianity and the bible is nothing more than man made spiritual manipulation and brainwashing.

I am convinced that the bible is more less man's point of view about his beliefs in God based on his own personal bigotry. The people who existed back during the time period that the bible was written had no respect for women and were homophobic. I give the bible no credibility whatsoever. Anyone who believes that it is the word of God is very naive and gullible. You only believe out of the fear of burning in hell. That is only why you choose to believe. You are enslaved to a ancient mythical belief, and are a product of spiritual manipulation. Christianity is a form of mental illness, and is not too much more different than schizophrenia.

Anonymous Wrote: "The reason God want us to fear him is because he love you. God doesn’t want you to spend eternity in hell and that’s why he son to save humanity from sin."

So God is so limited in his power that he has no other ability to save people from burning in hell. However he is supposed to be so powerful and mighty, yet he is so limited when it comes to saving people from eternal torment. *rolls eyes*

First of all nobody asked Jesus to die for us. I don't owe Jesus a thing,nor did I ask God to place me on this planet. According to God and his "so called word" the only thing I am guilty of is being born on this planet and being a human being. So therefore according to the christian belief I am guilty by association because two people who supposedly existed thousands of years ago by the names of "Adam and Eve" who also happen to be "human beings" who none of us have ever met or known committed some horrific crime in the garden of Eden, and somehow people who are living in today's world are guilty for some reason, although none of us were around back during that time period. Now I want you to think about how silly that kind of reasoning is Anonymous. Try to open your mind and think about how irrational and illogical that kind of reasoning really is.

I along with everyone else who lives in this world today are not responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve, so therefore I have done nothing to deserve hell fire, because I am not responsible for what Adam and Eve's supposedly did thousands of years ago. So therefore I will not plead guilty to a crime that I did not commit.

Nor will I submit to this jealous God who threatens to burn people in hell all because we refuse to give him the attention that he wants. This God who you speak of has a major problem with insecurity and jealousy. I will not submit to some spiritual manipulation out of the fear of hell. God's love is nothing more than a bald faced lie. His actions (of today) prove who he really is, that is if he even exists in the first place. Any God who uses the threats of eternal torment is not worth serving.

Anonymous Wrote: "It’s like a kid fearing the punishment of his parents. It’s not like the parents don’t love him, but there are just disciplining the kid out of love. God has always mercy."

The two don't even compare. No matter what any child has ever done I don't know of any parent who would allow their child to be set on fire like that. Don't sit there and insult human love by comparing it to your angry and wrathful God's so called love. Your idea of love is very twisted, and sickening. I can't believe you expect any of us to be stupid enough to believe that God is actually a "God of love". You obviously have a lot to learn Anonymous.

Anonymous Wrote: "Please take time and really think about John 3:16. and when you read ponder on it, and there and there only can you see the beauty of our lord"

Anonymous, please take time to read the stories and testimonies of other ex-christians on this site and enlighten your mind, and maybe if you open your mind enough you will then understand why none of us desire to be enslaved once again to the cult known as christianity.

You will also find that many of us have found a more abundant life ever since leaving christianity, and why we have no desire to return to it ever again.

As far as reading and pondering on John 3:16, the only thing that you will ever see is words on paper that have no practical meaning. The bible is just some stupid book that was written 2,000 years ago for the purpose of controlling and enslaving people to fear. You are one of those victims.

"John 3:16" is nothing more than plain spiritual propaganda, and manipulation.

Just so you know anonymous, you really are out of your league by trying to debate anyone on this site. You are clueless about what you are up against by trying to prove your case for Christ. You will not win, nor will you be able to convince anyone on this site that christianity works. None of us will change our mind about what we believe. Many other christians have come onto this site trying to convince us that christianity works and that God is all about love, and in the end every christian has found out that they cannot prove their case for Christ, and they all end up giving up and leaving this site.

May reality save you from your enslaved and delusional mind one day.

You need to try reality Anonymous. It really works. Once you learn to trust in your own judgment and learn how to make decisions and think for yourself you will find that you are able to accomplish a lot more in life than you ever did as a christian. However, if you still see the need for a spiritual crutch, then I don't know what else to tell you.

All I know is life outside of christianity is "TRUE FREEDOM".

That's the thing you don't understand Anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote: "He could have destroyed the earth with the deluge, but out of the kindness of his heart he decided to save 6 people."

This guy is out of his f**king mind. First of all peruse your stupid bible more carefully. According to your bible 8 souls were save not 6. You actually think that, by saving “6 people” your god has shown mercy and love? What a moron, excuse my French.

SEV

AntiBarbie said...

Anonymous wrote: The problem with you atheist is that you really don’t understand the love of God.

You know, it's kind of hard to find the love between the infanticide, mass murder, inciting war, the constant smiting of 'his own people' over trivial matters and the threat of eternal torture should anyone dare not kowtow to his every whim.

If that's your idea of loving God, you have a much different definition of the word. I call that a sadist.

Spirula said...

but out of the kindness of his heart he decided to save 6 people

Is there a positive human action/emotion Christians can't pervert to justify their god? Allegedly he kills millions so he can show "kindness" to a few?

This type of "kindness" is akin to someone crushing the heads of all the newborns in a neonatal ward save one...who was "kindly" saved to pass on the message of the perpetrators "mercy" and "love".

Really, that is some sick belief system you have there annonymouse. I would say it is a good thing your god is a fantasy, except for the behavior and attitudes that come from those believing and worshipping such a pathological being.

Do you have any sense of how peverse your beliefs are? How sick and twisted?

We figured it out. You can too. Come into the light.

Huey said...

Anonymous, your parent analogy is pretty bad. I remember being punished by my parents, who loved me, but never did I get the impression that they wanted me to FEAR them. What kind of parent wants their children to be afraid of them? I know that such exist, they just weren't mine.


In john 3:16 and ONLY john 3:16 can we see the beauty of your god? Is this your way of saying that all of the bible verses listed above by DocMike (thanks Doc!) don’t count? Mandy’s assertion of “cherry picking” is quite valid in this situation. You picked one little verse to try to prove your point as though the 51 listed above don’t count. If the bible is the inerrant word of your god the they do count!

God drowns untold millions of people and billions of animals yet OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART he saves just a few? You call that kind? You call that merciful? I call that incredibly sick! Fortunately it never happened but still, it amazes me that people not only believe such allegorical nonsense but use it to prove the idiocy that some homicidal maniac loves me. With love like that, who needs satan?!

Phant said...

Christians are just flat out stupid, and naive. They live in total superstition and they have no common sense period.

Plus they don't know how to mind their own goddamn business and stay out of the personal lives of other people.

Their God needs strength in numbers. That's why he tells them to go out and spread his faulty gospel.

If you took away God's army of cultists, he would have no power period, since he relies on them to do his work for him.

That says a lot about some God who needs people to do his work for him, however this same God supposedly created the heavens and the earth in only 6 days and supposedly parted the Red Sea.

The only real power God has is a bunch of his idiot followers.

Astreja said...

Phant, I'm reminded of something I saw on a T-shirt: "Never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people."

The existence of the Christian god may be infinitely improbable, but its would-be followers are entirely too real.

Never, ever let down your guard when battling dogma and superstition... That opens the door to another Dark Ages, or worse.

Phant said...

Astreja,

If this man Jesus ever did exist, my guess would be that he was nothing more than a con artist who preyed off of the naiveness of people who lived in an age where superstition was common.

He might have even been a magician who knew how to pull off some really good tricks to fool those poor naive sheep and goat herders back then.

Astreja said...

It's possible that Jesus (if he actually existed) was a con man. Also possible that he truly believed what he was teaching. The trail's gone cold, so we may never know what actually happened back then.

A somewhat related question was put to Me by a friend the other day... What element(s) of the Christian message caused the meme to get so out of control and infect so many people?

I suspect that it was a combination of bibliocide (e.g., destroying repositories of knowledge such as the Library of Alexandria), fearmongering, swordpoint conversions, and offering people a MuchBetterPlace™ to contrast with the brutality and poverty of everyday life.

I offer as evidence the experience of Northern Europe. The high standard of living has largely cut brutality and poverty out of the loop, and neutered Christianity in those lands. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in action, folks.

Seek knowledge. Work through the fear. And understand that a MuchBetterPlace™ is your responsibility, not something you can get from some nebulous invisible being.