Dr. Winell answers the Battle Cry

Sent in by Marlene Winell

City Hall Steps, San Francisco, March 9th, 2007.

Battlecry is a fundamentalist youth organization that is gaining strength and was recently in San Francisco. (see: http://battlecry.com/) Prior to their demonstration about moral values there was a press conference of people addressing the threat of the Christian right. The San Francisco chronicle had this story: http://www.sfgate.com

Marlene Winell contributed the following speech:

Good afternoon. I’d like to say a few words about them, and a few words about us and consider how far apart we really are. My area of study is psychology and I’m also a former fundamentalist Christian. The book I wrote, Leaving the Fold, is a self-help book but it began with my effort to understand my own recovery. Since then I have spent many years working with people struggling to heal from the devastating effects of dogmatic religion, and especially Christian fundamentalism. I’ve learned a lot about why it works so well, the reasons people stay, the reasons they leave, and the stages of recovery. I believe the helping professions should study it they way they study other traumas and addictions - alcoholism, domestic violence, drug use and child abuse. This is a system of thought that is powerful and seductive. It begins with the most basic of human needs and fears – about mortality, about meaning, about connection. The young people who will be here today are motivated by the most primal concerns, and their religion has offered answers, clear and absolute. And don’t we all wish it were that simple.

Unfortunately, the price for membership in this select group of saved individuals is utter conformity and obedience. Along with the doctrine of original sin, they are taught to deeply distrust their own ability to think, their own instinctual feelings, and to look outward for any resources of wisdom or strength. The fundamentalist belief system is ultimately based on fear, and the believers spend the bulk of their lives fighting the enemy, whether it is the enemy of temptation within, where sexual urges are the most frightening as threats to faith, of the enemy without, such as the culture war manufactured by Battlecry. They are taught to think in terms of spiritual warfare, and they must join the forces of good fighting the minions of Satan. A bit like America fighting the axis of evil. When some of the faithful do manage to pull away and come to me for help, they are terrified. The most sincere souls are the ones most damaged because they tried the hardest to annihilate themselves to obey God’s will. They have no idea that thousands of other former believers are also struggling to recover and reclaim their right to think and feel for themselves. The most dangerous aspect of the fundamentalist mindset is not any specific belief or prejudice or judgment. It’s not homophobia or sexism or opposing evolution. The biggest threat, to the mental health of the individuals, and to our society, is the authoritarianism.

This teaching of submission to revealed truth, pure and simple, dictated from on high, from a pulpit, from a book, or from the White House, is a serious threat to all of us. We can’t afford the attitudes of good and evil, black and white, us versus them, because the world is not that simple, and people get hurt that way. But this deference to authority, paired with absolute skepticism about one’s own right or ability to think is exactly what endangers our democracy. It makes it possible for someone like George Bush to call himself a born-again Christian, and get overwhelming support from millions of people who have not examined the issues to form their own opinions or have any idea what Bush’s policies even are before voting for him.

But before we get too judgmental, let’s reflect on this issue for all of us. How well do the rest of us engage in critical thinking? How much do we passively stand by while our unquestioned leaders do what they like to our country and to the world? Why do we allow the super-rich and powerful to dictate the terms for our lives? Why do we turn a blind eye while corporations rape the world? Why do we purchase goods without questioning where they came from? And why, in God’s name, do we allow war to continue and the warmongers to stay in power?

The young people with Battlecry today believe they are standing up for morality, and they have taken the time to do so. You can count on the fact that many of them are scared to death, and yet they are taking a stand. They also want to belong to something bigger than themselves. Yes, they are making judgments, and we may believe many of these judgments are misguided. They need help to see how the results are not loving at all. But let’s look at the judgments we have and the morality that we want to uphold.

I for one agree that we have a moral crisis. I think our country has lost its moral compass when we care more for material wealth than for justice, when we are too busy with our own lives, our careers, our pleasures, even our own families, while people are suffering, starving, and slaughtered. Yes, we can have judgments too, because we do need to distinguish right from wrong in the sense that we must uphold the values that are most important. And in the current climate with corporate greed hand in hand with government leaders who seem to have no conscience whatsoever, I believe we do need to fight. We are our brother’s keeper. The sin of consequence is not in the privacy of our bedrooms; it’s in our boardrooms, and for that we are all complicit because we are reaping the benefits. We do need repentance. George Bush needs to repent and make restitution for the war in Iraq. And we need to repent for being asleep for too long, imagining that voting every four years spells democracy. Is this nation going in the wrong direction? Hell yes. The Christian right is worried God will withdraw his blessing from the nation because of our iniquity and they say 9/11 was a warning, as if to Sodom and Gomorrah, but they’ve got it wrong when they focus on who is loving whom or which of us is enjoying what kind of bodily friction, singing about it or even looking at pictures of it. What about the photos at Abu Graib? Let’s get real about pornography. As parents, we should worry more about our kids living in a land where torture and war is condoned, where racism is rampant, the poor are left to drown in a flood, and the state can tap our telephones. What of the future? Will our children even have one? The obscenity on TV is not sex in the city; it’s the barrage of sexy ads for new cars in the city, and this while the polar ice caps melt. The disease most deadly in America is not AIDS, it’s affluenza complicated by narcolepsy.

So I say let’s invite these Battlecry young people who are not asleep, to a table with us, a table where all are welcome, just as Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax collectors. Let’s have sinners and saints, fanatics and fornicators, and let’s be honest about what really matters. Who knows, perhaps we can all dig deep and find our common humanity. Let’s learn from their passion and urgency and let’s help them cherish this earth as the only one we have.

So we stand today as opposed to immorality as anyone here, Christian or not. We will not relinquish the gains made by movements for social progress - the battles successfully fought for abolition, equality for women and all races. We will not sacrifice the integrity of science or the privacy of personal lives. We will not release the ground gained, painfully over the years, to grant every human being their dignity, and we will not relinquish our faith, our hope, in our ability to forge ahead, slowly but surely, collectively creating a world that is just, a world that by its structures supports the human desire and ability to live in peace and yes, love. We reject the notion that we cannot do this, that the prince of this world, the devil, infects us and weakens us to where only the returning Christ, with his armies in the sky, will be able to bring us to our senses. This has not happened yet despite two millenniums of longing. In today’s world, this expectation is too dangerous.

We cannot afford the hopeless and helpless message of the fundamentalist Christian looking to be raptured away, excused from responsibility. This fatalism, by requiring apocalypse for the savior to return, actually fuels the crises - supporting war as a sign of the end, neglecting the environment because the earth will burn anyway, spurning peace-making because it’s hopeless, and fearing global community because it spells anti-Christ. This is a recipe for disaster. And yet these beliefs are firmly held by millions of Americans, including high members of our government. Key advisors on domestic and foreign policy have these views. We need to speak up and oppose these attitudes and insist on taking responsibility for the world we create. Our sin is our willful ignorance, our denial of being interconnected, our rejection of our God-given power to be the life-loving, creation-caring, wise and creative beings that we are.

So with ordinary human love, we reach out to everyone willing to join in this commitment to our highest values and our deepest concerns, knowing that when the details of formal religious teachings are taken away, we really do have much in common. We have the most important things in common if we can just see past our fears. And then we can hope.

About Dr. Winell

Dr. Marlene Winell is a psychologist and Ph.D. in Human Development and Family Studies. She grew up in a fundamentalist missionary family, spent some years as a "born-again" Christian, and then went through her own recovery and growth process. She has worked in human services for 30 years and specializes in helping clients who are recovering from religious indoctrination. Her private practice in Berkeley, CA. includes counseling individuals, couples, and groups. She also consults by telephone and offers workshops. Her "Release and Reclaim" retreats provide group experiences for letting go of dysfunctional religion and building lives of meaning and joy here and now.

If interested in attending one of Dr. Winell's upcoming workshops, download the Losing My Religion flyer in .pdf format.

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Christine said...

There is an article in the latest Rolling Stone magazine on battle cry I know many christians who think this is great. It's scary to me that people accept what they are told without questioning. I was told by some of my christian friends that they believe it is spiritual warfare that caused me to leave christianity. It really is a war to some of them. I wish there would be a movement started to get young people (or old) to start thinking critically.

jimearl said...

Marlene, thanks for having the courage to do what needs to be done. Keep up the good work.

Brigid, your post brought tears to my eyes. Just wanted to say you are way better than just ok. You use logic and reason to live your life and you can only go forward. Best to you in all you do.

Anonymous said...


You lost your partner? I am so sorry. My name is Bill and I "lurk" in every now and then and always enjoy what you have to say and the way you express yourself. Oh, the pain, the pain I feel for you now.....Bill

Anonymous said...

I am a big fan of Marlene Winell, as her book was a lifesaver to me.

I thoroughly enjoyed this article, it has many quotable sentences. The quote below is my favourite because it nicely summarizes my experience.

"The most sincere souls are the ones most damaged because they tried the hardest to annihilate themselves to obey God’s will."

Anonymous said...


So sad to hear about what happened to you. No words we can say can ever diminish your pain, but I can send you my sympathy.

Marlene is a busy psychologist and international speaker. Don't be hurt if she doesn't get back to you, as she may not have time to lurk around here often.

She may drop you a line, though. You never know.



resonate11 said...

Great speech, Marlene! Thanks for saying what needs to be said. I agree with you completely.

Bill B said...

My heart goes out to you and thank you for the lessons you teach us. This is the only life we have and we must appreciate the ones we love while they are here. You should gain strength and support through others who have suffered a similar loss and have regained their lives. People get help from other people, not invisible men in the sky.

Does anyone know what Dr. Winell's beliefs actually are? Is she an atheist or just someone like my mother who worships the all loving feel good generic God?

Anonymous said...

Is anyone else having trouble posting comments?

Anonymous said...

I was not able to post this under my usual way. What is happening?

Brigid, you are indeed a strong woman. Thanks for sharing your pain with us. What you said about not needing religion to heal speaks volumes about your life. Take a look around and you will see that at times of death and mayhem, most people will bow and ask their gods to help them thru the misery. My opinion is why worship a god who is powerless to stop the mayhem to begin with. Is such a god worthy of our worship? Not in my opinion. It seems like religious people are always seeking help to get thru some major crisis. You have proven that we can get thru the deep dark times without religion. It's certainly not easy but it can and is done all the time. Sorta shoots down the idea that some people like to remind me of and that's the idea that one day I will have to call on god in some time of need. I KNOW better. Keep your head up and know that others here care about you. Cheers, Jim Earl

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Anonymous said...

"Does anyone know what Dr. Winell's beliefs actually are? Is she an atheist or just someone like my mother who worships the all loving feel good generic God?"

If I remember correctly, from the book, Dr. Winell is an atheist.

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